From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Re: undo in org.el Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:12:05 +0100 Message-ID: <6F39CE50-0F79-4E6E-9390-FAF1560C4A88@science.uva.nl> References: <5C8B63FD-C596-4FBA-A8E5-DA0262F222BA@science.uva.nl> <3d6808890711130344j3a10bf5cuf6e68de26006bb48@mail.gmail.com> <5D5703BA-DAFE-4D93-9AF6-29DC25499474@science.uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Is3zV-0007eE-54 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:12:17 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Is3zT-0007e2-Og for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:12:15 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Is3zT-0007dz-Ix for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:12:15 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Is3zT-0005sQ-Cf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:12:15 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so208201ugf for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:12:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Leo Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On 13Nov2007, at 9:58 PM, Leo wrote: > On 2007-11-13 15:37 +0000, Carsten Dominik wrote: > [...] >>> If that was a call to Xemacs users to identify themselves, then here >>> is one. Even though it is in the Emacs CVS tree now should not >>> turn it >>> into an Emacs only tool IMHO. >> >> Well, the fact that it is in Emacs CVS has not kept me from >> supporting >> XEmacs for quite a while now. But it is extra work and requires >> catering for missing features and different implementations - so >> it is >> important for me to know that this is used and still appreciated. >> >> How about someone stepping forward and trying to release an XEmacs >> package containing noutline.el and org-mode? Anyone who feels up to >> this? Because I will not have the time. >> >> - Carsten > > I think org 5.13 (or maybe 5.14) can be used by XEmacs users for > foreseeable feature. Remember XEmacs is packaging quite a few outdated > package anyway such as AUCTeX (11.5x). > > If no one steps up for this task, we should start thinking of moving > forward anyway. I am not sure what you mean by "moving forward". Sure, the world can survive withoout an XEmacs package for Org-mode. However, even if the package would not be up-to-date, it would be nice if XEmacs users would get some version simply with the sumo tarball. Would lower the the entry borders quite a bit in my opinion. Lets not forget that not everyone is as happy to download a new version of a package frequently as we are here... Anyway, just a thought. I will continue to support XEmacs as much as I can, within the limits of available time. But that support already has some holes, most importantly columns view does not work with it and the difficulties to make it work are so substantial that I am not expecting to ever get around to it. We should all thank Gregory Chernov again for porting noutline to XEmacs - without that I would have given up long ago. - Carsten