* `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
@ 2009-09-10 11:48 Michael Brand
2009-09-10 16:32 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Michael Brand @ 2009-09-10 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
I like the org-indent-mode with the soft-indentation but even more I
like the hard-indentation with `#+STARTUP: odd hidestars' instead for
which I have a question.
This is the content of the example file oddeven:
-*- mode: org -*-
#+STARTUP: oddeven hidestars content
* 1 Org Mode
** 1.1 Introduction
*** 1.1.1 Installation
This is the content of the example file odd:
-*- mode: org -*-
#+STARTUP: odd hidestars content
* 1 Org Mode
*** 1.1 Introduction
***** 1.1.1 Installation
The different _Emacs-faces_ (colors) for the heading levels are the same
when comparing the two files. This Emacs-internal adaptation I
appreciate a lot.
C-u 2 S-Tab shows _two_ levels with the file oddeven but only _one_ with
the file odd. Is this how it is intended to work for the file odd?
org-version is 6.30e.
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2009-09-10 11:48 `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd' Michael Brand
@ 2009-09-10 16:32 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-10-14 10:15 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-10-14 13:58 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-09-10 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Michael,
yes, I agree it would be consistent to adapt the interpretation
of the prefix arg when using odd-levels.
I have fixed this, it is available in git now, and will be in
the next release (6.31).
Thanks!
- Carsten
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
> I like the org-indent-mode with the soft-indentation but even more I
> like the hard-indentation with `#+STARTUP: odd hidestars' instead for
> which I have a question.
>
> This is the content of the example file oddeven:
> -*- mode: org -*-
> #+STARTUP: oddeven hidestars content
> * 1 Org Mode
> ** 1.1 Introduction
> *** 1.1.1 Installation
>
> This is the content of the example file odd:
> -*- mode: org -*-
> #+STARTUP: odd hidestars content
> * 1 Org Mode
> *** 1.1 Introduction
> ***** 1.1.1 Installation
>
> The different _Emacs-faces_ (colors) for the heading levels are the
> same
> when comparing the two files. This Emacs-internal adaptation I
> appreciate a lot.
>
> C-u 2 S-Tab shows _two_ levels with the file oddeven but only _one_
> with
> the file odd. Is this how it is intended to work for the file odd?
>
>
> org-version is 6.30e.
>
>
>
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-09-10 11:48 `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd' Michael Brand
2009-09-10 16:32 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-10-14 10:15 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-10-14 13:58 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-14 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
> I like the org-indent-mode with the soft-indentation but even more I
> like the hard-indentation with `#+STARTUP: odd hidestars' instead for
> which I have a question.
>
> This is the content of the example file oddeven:
> -*- mode: org -*-
> #+STARTUP: oddeven hidestars content
> * 1 Org Mode
> ** 1.1 Introduction
> *** 1.1.1 Installation
>
> This is the content of the example file odd:
> -*- mode: org -*-
> #+STARTUP: odd hidestars content
> * 1 Org Mode
> *** 1.1 Introduction
> ***** 1.1.1 Installation
>
> The different _Emacs-faces_ (colors) for the heading levels are the
> same
> when comparing the two files. This Emacs-internal adaptation I
> appreciate a lot.
>
> C-u 2 S-Tab shows _two_ levels with the file oddeven but only _one_
> with
> the file odd. Is this how it is intended to work for the file odd?
Actually, I tested this now, and it works correctly in 6.31. I don't
quite
remember when his was changed, but this is implemented already - sorry
for
nor earlier looking what this really was about.
- Carsten
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-09-10 11:48 `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd' Michael Brand
2009-09-10 16:32 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-10-14 10:15 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-10-14 13:58 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-14 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
> I like the org-indent-mode with the soft-indentation but even more I
> like the hard-indentation with `#+STARTUP: odd hidestars' instead for
> which I have a question.
>
> This is the content of the example file oddeven:
> -*- mode: org -*-
> #+STARTUP: oddeven hidestars content
> * 1 Org Mode
> ** 1.1 Introduction
> *** 1.1.1 Installation
>
> This is the content of the example file odd:
> -*- mode: org -*-
> #+STARTUP: odd hidestars content
> * 1 Org Mode
> *** 1.1 Introduction
> ***** 1.1.1 Installation
>
> The different _Emacs-faces_ (colors) for the heading levels are the
> same
> when comparing the two files. This Emacs-internal adaptation I
> appreciate a lot.
>
> C-u 2 S-Tab shows _two_ levels with the file oddeven but only _one_
> with
> the file odd. Is this how it is intended to work for the file odd?
Actually, I tested this now, and it works correctly in 6.31. I don't
quite
remember when his was changed, but this is implemented already - sorry
for
nor earlier looking what this really was about.
- Carsten
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
@ 2009-10-12 7:24 Michael Brand
2009-10-12 13:15 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2009-10-12 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: carsten.dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Thank you for the fix of the function org-shifttab in org-version 6.31a.
I wonder how the function org-outline-level is intended to work. Should it show the outline level or count the stars like in org-version 6.31a and one has to take into account `odd' himself to get the outline level when implementing own stuff which use e. g. the function org-shifttab?
> yes, I agree it would be consistent to adapt the interpretation
> of the prefix arg when using odd-levels.
>
> I have fixed this, it is available in git now, and will be in
> the next release (6.31).
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
>
>> I like the org-indent-mode with the soft-indentation but even more I
>> like the hard-indentation with `#+STARTUP: odd hidestars' instead for
>> which I have a question.
>>
>> This is the content of the example file oddeven:
>> -*- mode: org -*-
>> #+STARTUP: oddeven hidestars content
>> * 1 Org Mode
>> ** 1.1 Introduction
>> *** 1.1.1 Installation
>>
>> This is the content of the example file odd:
>> -*- mode: org -*-
>> #+STARTUP: odd hidestars content
>> * 1 Org Mode
>> *** 1.1 Introduction
>> ***** 1.1.1 Installation
>>
>> The different _Emacs-faces_ (colors) for the heading levels are the same
>> when comparing the two files. This Emacs-internal adaptation I
>> appreciate a lot.
>>
>> C-u 2 S-Tab shows _two_ levels with the file oddeven but only _one_ with
>> the file odd. Is this how it is intended to work for the file odd?
>>
>>
>> org-version is 6.30e.
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-10-12 7:24 Michael Brand
@ 2009-10-12 13:15 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-10-12 20:00 ` Michael Brand
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-12 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Oct 12, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Michael Brand wrote:
> Thank you for the fix of the function org-shifttab in org-version
> 6.31a.
>
> I wonder how the function org-outline-level is intended to work.
> Should it show the outline level or count the stars like in org-
> version 6.31a and one has to take into account `odd' himself to get
> the outline level when implementing own stuff which use e. g. the
> function org-shifttab?
org-outline-level shows the number of stars, independently of org-odd-
levels
Use
(org-reduced-level (org-outline-level))
to get normalized levels.
Inside org, you need to check which function works with what kind
of level, this is unfortunately not entirely abstracted.
HTH
- Carsten
>
>
>> yes, I agree it would be consistent to adapt the interpretation
>> of the prefix arg when using odd-levels.
>> I have fixed this, it is available in git now, and will be in
>> the next release (6.31).
>> Thanks!
>> - Carsten
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
>>> I like the org-indent-mode with the soft-indentation but even more I
>>> like the hard-indentation with `#+STARTUP: odd hidestars' instead
>>> for
>>> which I have a question.
>>>
>>> This is the content of the example file oddeven:
>>> -*- mode: org -*-
>>> #+STARTUP: oddeven hidestars content
>>> * 1 Org Mode
>>> ** 1.1 Introduction
>>> *** 1.1.1 Installation
>>>
>>> This is the content of the example file odd:
>>> -*- mode: org -*-
>>> #+STARTUP: odd hidestars content
>>> * 1 Org Mode
>>> *** 1.1 Introduction
>>> ***** 1.1.1 Installation
>>>
>>> The different _Emacs-faces_ (colors) for the heading levels are
>>> the same
>>> when comparing the two files. This Emacs-internal adaptation I
>>> appreciate a lot.
>>>
>>> C-u 2 S-Tab shows _two_ levels with the file oddeven but only
>>> _one_ with
>>> the file odd. Is this how it is intended to work for the file odd?
>>>
>>>
>>> org-version is 6.30e.
- Carsten
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-10-12 13:15 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-10-12 20:00 ` Michael Brand
2009-10-13 18:47 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2009-10-12 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
>> I wonder how the function org-outline-level is intended to work.
>> Should it show the outline level or count the stars like in
>> org-version 6.31a and one has to take into account `odd' himself to
>> get the outline level when implementing own stuff which use e. g. the
>> function org-shifttab?
>
> org-outline-level shows the number of stars, independently of
> org-odd-levels
>
> Use
>
> (org-reduced-level (org-outline-level))
>
> to get normalized levels.
>
> Inside org, you need to check which function works with what kind
> of level, this is unfortunately not entirely abstracted.
>
> HTH
>
> - Carsten
Thank you, exactly what I have missed. Allow me to mention that I would like this hint to be added to the Help documentation of org-outline-level where I looked before.
There is something more with org-outline-level in org-version 6.31a which I still don't understand because I am not aware of some functions used in its implementation. I drilled down the quite special situation to the following file content. I hope that the indentation of x by three spaces does not get lost in the mailing list archive:
-*- eval: (org-mode) -*-
x
After opening this file and confirming `eval', org-outline-level reports `3' (changes when changing the indentation of x) but I expect it to report someting like `0', `1000' or `1001' or similar like it does with variations like e. g.
-*- mode: org -*-
x
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-10-12 20:00 ` Michael Brand
@ 2009-10-13 18:47 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-10-14 6:19 ` Michael Brand
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-13 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
>>> I wonder how the function org-outline-level is intended to work.
>>> Should it show the outline level or count the stars like in org-
>>> version 6.31a and one has to take into account `odd' himself to
>>> get the outline level when implementing own stuff which use e. g.
>>> the function org-shifttab?
>> org-outline-level shows the number of stars, independently of org-
>> odd-levels
>> Use
>> (org-reduced-level (org-outline-level))
>> to get normalized levels.
>> Inside org, you need to check which function works with what kind
>> of level, this is unfortunately not entirely abstracted.
>> HTH
>> - Carsten
>
> Thank you, exactly what I have missed. Allow me to mention that I
> would like this hint to be added to the Help documentation of org-
> outline-level where I looked before.
Done.
>
> There is something more with org-outline-level in org-version 6.31a
> which I still don't understand because I am not aware of some
> functions used in its implementation. I drilled down the quite
> special situation to the following file content. I hope that the
> indentation of x by three spaces does not get lost in the mailing
> list archive:
>
> -*- eval: (org-mode) -*-
> x
>
> After opening this file and confirming `eval', org-outline-level
> reports `3' (changes when changing the indentation of x) but I
> expect it to report someting like `0', `1000' or `1001' or similar
> like it does with variations like e. g.
>
> -*- mode: org -*-
> x
The function assumes that the cursor is located at the beginning
of an outline heading. If it is not, it will return garbage.
HTH
- Carsten
- Carsten
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-10-13 18:47 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-10-14 6:19 ` Michael Brand
2009-10-14 11:15 ` Bernt Hansen
2009-10-14 13:58 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2009-10-14 6:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
>> There is something more with org-outline-level in org-version 6.31a
>> which I still don't understand because I am not aware of some
>> functions used in its implementation. I drilled down the quite special
>> situation to the following file content. I hope that the indentation
>> of x by three spaces does not get lost in the mailing list archive:
>>
>> -*- eval: (org-mode) -*-
>> x
>>
>> After opening this file and confirming `eval', org-outline-level
>> reports `3' (changes when changing the indentation of x) but I expect
>> it to report someting like `0', `1000' or `1001' or similar like it
>> does with variations like e. g.
>>
>> -*- mode: org -*-
>> x
>
> The function assumes that the cursor is located at the beginning
Ok. I found out that (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (org-outline-level)) can compensate.
> of an outline heading. If it is not, it will return garbage.
Here I am lost and would like some help. I was not able to find out how to determine if the cursor is on a line with an outline heading or not.
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-10-14 6:19 ` Michael Brand
@ 2009-10-14 11:15 ` Bernt Hansen
2009-10-14 11:56 ` Michael Brand
2009-10-14 13:58 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Bernt Hansen @ 2009-10-14 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Carsten Dominik
Michael Brand <michael.brand@alumni.ethz.ch> writes:
> Here I am lost and would like some help. I was not able to find out
> how to determine if the cursor is on a line with an outline heading or
> not.
I think you can use the function org-on-heading-p to determine if you
are on a heading or not.
HTH
-Bernt
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-10-14 6:19 ` Michael Brand
2009-10-14 11:15 ` Bernt Hansen
@ 2009-10-14 13:58 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-10-14 19:20 ` Michael Brand
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-14 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Oct 14, 2009, at 8:19 AM, Michael Brand wrote:
>>> There is something more with org-outline-level in org-version
>>> 6.31a which I still don't understand because I am not aware of
>>> some functions used in its implementation. I drilled down the
>>> quite special situation to the following file content. I hope that
>>> the indentation of x by three spaces does not get lost in the
>>> mailing list archive:
>>>
>>> -*- eval: (org-mode) -*-
>>> x
>>>
>>> After opening this file and confirming `eval', org-outline-level
>>> reports `3' (changes when changing the indentation of x) but I
>>> expect it to report someting like `0', `1000' or `1001' or similar
>>> like it does with variations like e. g.
>>>
>>> -*- mode: org -*-
>>> x
>> The function assumes that the cursor is located at the beginning
>
> Ok. I found out that (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (org-
> outline-level)) can compensate.
>
>> of an outline heading. If it is not, it will return garbage.
>
> Here I am lost and would like some help. I was not able to find out
> how to determine if the cursor is on a line with an outline heading
> or not.
I have troube understanding what you mean.
An outline heading looks like this
*** heading
If the cursor is at the first character of that line, org-outline-
level will return
3. If the line looks different, the return value will be badly
determined (governed by the most recent match of a regular expression
anywhere in Emacs, might be anything).
If you need to find out, in a lisp program, if you are at the
beginning of a headline, use
(and (org-at-heading-p t) (bolp))
HTH
- Carsten
- Carsten
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* Re: `C-u 2 S-Tab' with `#+STARTUP: odd'
2009-10-14 13:58 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-10-14 19:20 ` Michael Brand
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2009-10-14 19:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
> I have troube understanding what you mean.
>
> An outline heading looks like this
>
> *** heading
>
> If the cursor is at the first character of that line, org-outline-level
> will return 3.
I want `3' _independently_ of on which column the cursor is on that line and therefore use (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (org-outline-level)).
> If the line looks different, the return value will be badly
> determined (governed by the most recent match of a regular expression
> anywhere in Emacs, might be anything).
To cover this I use (outline-on-heading-p), without the optional parameter in my case.
> If you need to find out, in a lisp program, if you are at the beginning
> of a headline, use
>
> (and (org-at-heading-p t) (bolp))
The matter is that within any one line I rather want to _ignore_ the column than to _know_ on which column the cursor is.
With all discussed here in this thread combined together I use
(if (outline-on-heading-p)
(org-reduced-level
(save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (org-outline-level)))
'0)))
for my suggestion of heading visibility depth stepping described here
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/17581/focus=18392
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