From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Birnle Subject: Best book to get from novice to guru? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: <00C6B7FD-318C-4A89-BAAA-F40081D5A9BF@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_E395D31E-93AE-4429-95A4-081A44554377_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50335) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKb8h-0003b3-N2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 22:01:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKb8d-0007qp-I4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 22:01:03 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:49992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKb8d-0007qj-5s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 22:00:59 -0400 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --=_MailMate_E395D31E-93AE-4429-95A4-081A44554377_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear group, Since I like to know my daily used software „by heart“ and I really don’t want to ask too many silly questions, here’s another: Which book (or books) do I have to read / work through to get from Emacs/Org novice to (almost) guru? Which is/are the best in your opinion? I’ve seen that there is - the *GNU Emacs Manual* from Richard Stallman - *The Org Mode 7 Reference Manual* from Carsten Dominik and others - *Mastering Emacs* from Mickey Petersen (www.masteringemacs.org) Are there more? Which one is obligatory? And I know the sites - www.emacswiki.org - orgmode.org and some others. All the good information is out there, but where is it bundled in one (or two or three) book(s)? And is it necessary to learn Lisp in order to master Emacs? Best, Birnle --=_MailMate_E395D31E-93AE-4429-95A4-081A44554377_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear group,

Since I like to know my daily used software =E2=80=9Eby h= eart=E2=80=9C and I really don=E2=80=99t want to ask too many silly quest= ions, here=E2=80=99s another:

Which book (or books) do I have to read / work through to= get from Emacs/Org novice to (almost) guru? Which is/are the best in you= r opinion?

I=E2=80=99ve seen that there is

  • the GNU Emacs Manual from Richard Stallman
  • The Org Mode 7 Reference Manual from Carsten Dominik and oth= ers
  • Mastering Emacs from Mickey Petersen (www.masteringemacs.org)

Are there more? Which one is obligatory? And I know the s= ites

and some others. All the good information is out there, b= ut where is it bundled in one (or two or three) book(s)?

And is it necessary to learn Lisp in order to master Emac= s?

Best,
Birnle

--=_MailMate_E395D31E-93AE-4429-95A4-081A44554377_=-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric S Fraga Subject: Re: Best book to get from novice to guru? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:15:41 +0100 Message-ID: <87wp8g8ijm.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> References: <2dc830b397184a22adc6e3c6ca7d8d20@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> Reply-To: Eric S Fraga Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKg3J-0002dy-3h for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:15:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKg3F-0005Mj-UH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:15:49 -0400 Received: from mail-eopbgr20128.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([40.107.2.128]:16785 helo=EUR02-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKg3F-0005MY-Hm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:15:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2dc830b397184a22adc6e3c6ca7d8d20@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> (Birnle's message of "Tue, 13 Jun 2017 02:00:54 +0000") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, 13 Jun 2017 at 02:00, Birnle wrote: > Which book (or books) do I have to read / work through to get from > Emacs/Org novice to (almost) guru? Which is/are the best in your > opinion? Much of emacs, including the various subsystems (gnus, org, calc, ...) is documented via the info system (C-h i) inside emacs. [...] > And is it necessary to learn Lisp in order to master Emacs? Yes. -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 26.0.50, Org release_9.0.7-531-g530113 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQSPXCedOQfhSlwpVw3IkZPY//z2fQUCWT+RHQAKCRDIkZPY//z2 fdRgAJ9tIJW+gqSCQbEq3v5x0D1WKHM+uwCeN87NXtLpakzh9YQKlw4bkMhdPyI= =2OyY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nikolay Kudryavtsev Subject: Re: Best book to get from novice to guru? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:06:42 +0300 Message-ID: <65877886-364d-ba0c-36a6-b68651646702@gmail.com> References: <00C6B7FD-318C-4A89-BAAA-F40081D5A9BF@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKhmm-0001zq-K2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:06:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKhmj-0005F3-Fn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:06:52 -0400 Received: from mail-lf0-x243.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::243]:35816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dKhmj-0005Eq-6y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:06:49 -0400 Received: by mail-lf0-x243.google.com with SMTP id v20so11545646lfa.2 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 02:06:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00C6B7FD-318C-4A89-BAAA-F40081D5A9BF@gmx.de> Content-Language: en-US List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Birnle , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org The answer - all of them are good. Emacs and Org manuals are available from inside of Emacs with every installation. They describe out-of-box capabilities of Emacs and Org respectively. Ideally you want to skimp through them, so you'd understand what's available. Then you can reference them as needed. Mastering Emacs is a tips and tricks book. It's good, but no replacement for the manuals. -- Best Regards, Nikolay Kudryavtsev From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Birnle Subject: Re: Best book to get from novice to guru? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:58:38 +0200 Message-ID: <71110927-2442-4FDD-AC2C-61511ECC9E8A@gmx.de> References: <00C6B7FD-318C-4A89-BAAA-F40081D5A9BF@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dMAVF-0004ti-2I for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 05:58:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dMAVC-0002bt-0x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 05:58:49 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:60952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dMAVB-0002YC-MP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 05:58:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <00C6B7FD-318C-4A89-BAAA-F40081D5A9BF@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Dear group, To sum up the two (!) answers on these foundational=20 # questions: 1. Which is the best book to get from Emacs/Org novice to guru? 2. Do I have to learn Lisp in order to master Emacs? # Answers: 1. All of the mentioned books are good; read the manuals that come with = Emacs and Org mode; "Mastering Emacs" is a good tips book, but no manual = replacement. 2. Yes. Thank you, Nikolay and Eric! Best, Birnle > Am 13.6.2017 um 04:00 h schrieb Birnle : >=20 > Dear group, >=20 > Since I like to know my daily used software =E2=80=9Eby heart=E2=80=9C = and I really don=E2=80=99t want to ask too many silly questions, = here=E2=80=99s another: >=20 > Which book (or books) do I have to read / work through to get from = Emacs/Org novice to (almost) guru? Which is/are the best in your = opinion? >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve seen that there is >=20 > =E2=80=A2 the GNU Emacs Manual from Richard Stallman > =E2=80=A2 The Org Mode 7 Reference Manual from Carsten Dominik and = others > =E2=80=A2 Mastering Emacs from Mickey Petersen = (www.masteringemacs.org) > Are there more? Which one is obligatory? And I know the sites >=20 > =E2=80=A2 www.emacswiki.org > =E2=80=A2 orgmode.org > and some others. All the good information is out there, but where is = it bundled in one (or two or three) book(s)? >=20 > And is it necessary to learn Lisp in order to master Emacs? >=20 > Best, > Birnle