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I think this is where your >> confusion is coming from. > > I said neither of those. I never said that UTC offset is fixed. I am > trying to give you references that you understand what people agreed > on this planet. > > I never said that time zone has fixed offset, some time zones have it > fixed, some not, as UTC offset changes for daylight savings and > political reasons. Jean, you have a very irritating habit of changing the topic of the discussion in order to push whatever you feel you want to argue about. My response to you had nothing to do with all the irrelevant points you insist on repeating despite numerous attempts by many to explain why what you are sending is adding little value. I was simply responding to your response to Sterling's glossary of definitions where you argue against defining offset (the term) as a fixed value. I will not be engaging with you further.