From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id oFnsC9Mm2V+NCwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:12:51 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id 0GIvB9Mm2V+pOAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:12:51 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AD8D9404C4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46864 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpHcm-0000tq-PU for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:12:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54256) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpHcK-0000ti-Rh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:12:20 -0500 Received: from grinta.net ([109.74.203.128]:42850) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpHcI-0002ee-JE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:12:20 -0500 Received: from black.local (p4fe7185a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.231.24.90]) (Authenticated sender: daniele) by grinta.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5440E12EE for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 21:12:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=grinta.net; s=2020; t=1608066736; bh=aw56zhvJCEPK2Vqw9E0CKkNMxDCIIyC0O1KsHesGp1A=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=gKgXcf0qAqS70UTEw8SXbPolyJL/tdz8JCdDQqbJsCTRz9zc8K30AAg6VtWXnDhvY pY2Vyta3RGfwnnfAo5/QJqnD3Q1aEcIeosP3y25+jXfyhp5j/q2Wvj8Xvbzqyn9NWq wDD2dywdu7HjCIETx/3xPeo+NHkwfd9G/XLyPRN34OG55+T/RVQLdhVM747M6p+LwN wi84Vhkj6Y95+EGYZOVUogSdGpfE8dvcMFwwvGJR53FQAYaZ2u/0Pz3IfoActaw0zO IoTTgsQ98PlGHf7EELq+fARuP6n5ApEV+jC6a0o5ARdNslHNVGuER4Qfiqme9U29hP 69tPMkMzKkyfQ== Subject: Re: Release Org 9.4.2 To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: <87h7ooeumg.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8iwxyud.fsf@codeisgreat.org> <873608o4h8.fsf@bzg.fr> <87h7ooxvn2.fsf@codeisgreat.org> <87sg87paed.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <873607yxvh.fsf@codeisgreat.org> From: Daniele Nicolodi Message-ID: <5b65f871-655a-1048-7a53-c0c794fe2abb@grinta.net> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 22:12:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <873607yxvh.fsf@codeisgreat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=109.74.203.128; envelope-from=daniele@grinta.net; helo=grinta.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.31 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=grinta.net header.s=2020 header.b=gKgXcf0q; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2AD8D9404C4 X-Spam-Score: -1.31 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9TiU7oet3Md3 On 15/12/2020 14:58, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > Eric S Fraga writes: > >> On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 20:49, Pankaj Jangid wrote: >>> I like testing Emacs on the trunk and I ‘git pull’ and ‘make bootstrap’ >>> daily and use it without any external packages. This is just to make >>> sure that any external package is not the cause for what appears to be >>> an Emacs bug. >>> >>> I can certainly add latest Org by adding it to the package-archives. >> >> Or you could track org development from git just as you are tracking >> Emacs. That's what I do: any time I build the most recent Emacs (maybe >> every 2-3 weeks), I also build org. > > May be that I am not explaining it well. Let me put it in a question > format. It is possible that this has been discussed and I appologise for > my ignorance. > > My question is/are: (1) Why Org is developed outside Emacs, given that > it is a core/built-in package. (2) Are there other packages that follow > the same process? AFAIK also cc-mode is developed in a dedicate repository. >From an Emacs development point of view there is the desire to move more packages that are now included in the core to ELPA and assemble Emacs releases from these. This will allow packages to have independent releases and users to update them more frequently than the pace of Emacs releases. In this process, moving more packages to separate git repositories would be natural. Thus, the idea would be remove the need for syncing the org and cc-mode codebases to the Emacs repository rather than moving the development of these packages to the Emacs git. Cheers, Dan