From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: org-speed-commands-default 1 2 3 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 07:54:14 +0200 Message-ID: <5F75A470-6BF4-4908-92CF-DCF728DA003B@gmail.com> References: <8D04F1BE-A07B-4571-A991-B2D24484CD50@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50060) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGNrS-0006D9-Jb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 02:43:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGNrK-0007fq-5A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 02:43:42 -0400 Received: from mail-ee0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::232]:55497) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGNrJ-0007eS-Mx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 02:43:34 -0400 Received: by mail-ee0-f50.google.com with SMTP id d51so2091940eek.23 for ; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 23:43:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Oleh Cc: org mode Hi Oleh, you have good arguments - but I still think this is a matter of workflow = and preferences, so I am not going to change the defaults. This is what = we have user options for. Thanks for taking the time to discuss is, and sorry for the slow reply. - Carsten On 8.8.2013, at 15:02, Oleh wrote: > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Carsten Dominik > wrote: >>=20 >> On 23.7.2013, at 15:48, Oleh wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi all, >>>=20 >>> I've recently started using `org-use-speed-commands', and I like it = a lot, >>> except I had to make one tweak: >>>=20 >>> (setq org-use-speed-commands t) >>> (setq org-speed-commands-user >>> '(("1" . (org-shifttab 1)) >>> ("2" . (org-shifttab 2)) >>> ("3" . (org-shifttab 3)))) >>>=20 >>> The corresponding values of `org-speed-commands-default' aren't that = useful >>> for GTD: >>>=20 >>> ("1" org-priority 65) >>> ("2" org-priority 66) >>> ("3" org-priority 67) >>=20 >> That depends on wether you work with priorities. I find S-TAB easy = enough, so I do not >> really see the need for speed commands here. >=20 > Maybe I should elaborate my point of view on the usability. > Priorities don't normally need "buttons" to jump between states, > a "knob" is enough: only increase/decrease priority, not jump to = priority 1, > jump to priority 2 etc. >=20 > Outlines, on the other hand, can benefit from the ability to jump = between > the levels of expansion. >=20 > Level 1 is very useful - it minimizes everything, showing the > structure of the file. S-TAB is useful and simple, but you have to > repeat several times, > checking each time if it has brought you to the level that you wanted = to be on. >=20 > Level 2 is very useful - and cannot, unlike Level 1, be reached by = S-TAB. > For my gtd.org, it shows the tasks and appointments, without expanding > them, as well as the project names, but not what they contain. > This gives a nice overview of my projects. >=20 > Level 3 is very useful - and cannot be reached by S-TAB. > It shows me the separate TODOs for my projects, without revealing my > notes on them, just the headings. > I even bound the rest of the digits to levels and it is useful = sometimes. >=20 > In my opinion, these shortcuts make org-mode a better outlining tool, > and should be given priority before the priority shortcuts. >=20 > Slightly off-topic, these type of shortcuts is why I use Ubuntu Unity = (I think > I managed to turn off the spying). It's got a feature that Super+1-9 > switches between applications in the sidebar slots 1-9. Sure, it's > possible to do with Alt-TAB, and that's what most other desktops do, > but Super+1-9 is superior, since you don't have to wait for feedback, > you instantly get what you want. >=20 > regards, > Oleh