From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id CDtxFPpIr1+kJAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:03:22 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id OFlZEPpIr1/qMQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:03:22 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD40F9400BF for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:52170 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdlqS-0006BT-T5 for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:03:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdlpV-0006BL-PM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:02:22 -0500 Received: from hiwela.pair.com ([209.68.5.201]:62480) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdlpR-0002Fv-Vj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:02:21 -0500 Received: from hiwela.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiwela.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878379805AD; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from minshall-entroware-apollo.cliq.com (unknown [95.8.197.123]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hiwela.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C9578F0895; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 22:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo2.minshall.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minshall-entroware-apollo.cliq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32A769224; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 06:02:10 +0300 (+03) From: Greg Minshall To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:38:08 +0300." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 27.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <552875.1605322930.1@apollo2.minshall.org> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 06:02:10 +0300 Message-ID: <552876.1605322930@apollo2.minshall.org> Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=209.68.5.201; envelope-from=minshall@umich.edu; helo=hiwela.pair.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/13 22:02:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = FreeBSD 9.x or newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Karl Voit , Gustavo Barros , Jean Louis Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=umich.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.59 X-TUID: n/kcNMDfuZVq so, i also agree that the new('ish) behavior is somewhat surprising. [i once changed the behavior of the "Enter" key in Berkeley Unix, and suffered the (well-deserved, in that case) arrows that soon entered my back.] from that perspective, i wonder if maybe there's an interpretation of elastic-indent mode that is more in line with what at least some of us expect? cheers, Greg [ps -- in the BSD case above, i was tied to a very particular reading of a section of the early Telnet RFC (sadly, i've always tended to dogmatism). there had been plenty of discussion, albeit within a small group of BSD developers, and, with reservations, agreement had been reached to make the change. after releasing that version of BSD Unix, users started reacting, and Mike Karels worked me into seeing an alternative interpretation, we made the fix, patches were released, and all, other than my somewhat bruised ego, were soon well.]