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On 15/10/13 05:19, Jonathan Leech-Pepin wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Oct 14, 2013 10:43 AM, "James Harkins" <jamshark70@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jamshark70@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > R. Michael Weylandt <michael.weylandt <at> gmail.com 
> <http://gmail.com>> <michael.weylandt <at>
> > gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> writes:
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:50, François Pinard <pinard <at> 
> iro.umontreal.ca <http://iro.umontreal.ca>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S. What is proper English: "nobody remember" or "nobody 
> remembers"?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Remembers. 'Nobody' counts as singular, as does 'no one'. English 
> isn't
> > totally consistent on this
> > > matter, however, as 'none' takes a plural verb.
> > >
> > > No one is brave enough to skip the meeting, even though none of 
> the bosses
> > are going to attend.
> >
> > Actually, I think the latter clause is incorrect usage. The verb's 
> subject is
> > "none," not "bosses"; since the subject is singular, the verb form 
> should be
> > singular as well. It "feels wrong" to have a singular verb 
> immediately after a
> > plural noun, but that noun properly belongs to the preposition, not 
> the verb.
> >
> > I'm voting for "none of the bosses is going to attend."
>
> None is a bit of an odd case, since it reflects the plurality of the 
> associated noun.
>
> None of the group is going...
> None of the groups are going...
> None of the bosses are going to attend.
>
> Some, most, all also follow that pattern:
> All of the group is...
> All of the bosses are...
>
> Group allows for both the plural and similar case since even one group 
> still has multiple members (at least it implies such).
>
> Jon
>
> > hjh
> >
> >
>
Strunk & White 3rd edition p9:

   With none, use the singular verb when the word means "no one" or "not
    one."

      None of us are perfect.     None of us is perfect.

    A plural verb is commonly used when none suggests more than one thing
    or person.

      None are so fallible as those who are sure they're right.


Alan

-- 
Alan L Tyree                    http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/10/13 05:19, Jonathan Leech-Pepin
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAEWDx5ecB6S-oSD7sz-OQoRYScVp+wtw+4YFXa5XHD4MgyoEyw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <p dir="ltr">Hello,</p>
      <p dir="ltr">On Oct 14, 2013 10:43 AM, "James Harkins" &lt;<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jamshark70@gmail.com">jamshark70@gmail.com</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt; R. Michael Weylandt &lt;michael.weylandt &lt;at&gt; <a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>&gt;
        &lt;michael.weylandt &lt;at&gt;<br>
        &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>&gt;
        writes:<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt; &gt; On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:50, François Pinard &lt;pinard
        &lt;at&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://iro.umontreal.ca">iro.umontreal.ca</a>&gt;<br>
        &gt; wrote:<br>
        &gt; &gt;<br>
        &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
        &gt; &gt; &gt; P.S. What is proper English: "nobody remember" or
        "nobody remembers"?<br>
        &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
        &gt; &gt;<br>
        &gt; &gt; Remembers. 'Nobody' counts as singular, as does 'no
        one'. English isn't<br>
        &gt; totally consistent on this<br>
        &gt; &gt; matter, however, as 'none' takes a plural verb.<br>
        &gt; &gt;<br>
        &gt; &gt; No one is brave enough to skip the meeting, even
        though none of the bosses<br>
        &gt; are going to attend.<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt; Actually, I think the latter clause is incorrect usage. The
        verb's subject is<br>
        &gt; "none," not "bosses"; since the subject is singular, the
        verb form should be<br>
        &gt; singular as well. It "feels wrong" to have a singular verb
        immediately after a<br>
        &gt; plural noun, but that noun properly belongs to the
        preposition, not the verb.<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt; I'm voting for "none of the bosses is going to attend."</p>
      <p dir="ltr">None is a bit of an odd case, since it reflects the
        plurality of the associated noun.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">None of the group is going...<br>
        None of the groups are going...<br>
        None of the bosses are going to attend.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Some, most, all also follow that pattern:<br>
        All of the group is...<br>
        All of the bosses are...</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Group allows for both the plural and similar case
        since even one group still has multiple members (at least it
        implies such).</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Jon</p>
      <p dir="ltr">&gt; hjh<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt;<br>
      </p>
    </blockquote>
    Strunk &amp; White 3rd edition p9:<br>
    <br>
      With none, use the singular verb when the word means "no one" or
    "not<br>
       one."<br>
    <br>
         None of us are perfect.     None of us is perfect.<br>
    <br>
       A plural verb is commonly used when none suggests more than one
    thing<br>
       or person.<br>
    <br>
         None are so fallible as those who are sure they're right.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Alan<br>
    <br>
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