From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles Millar Subject: Re: Org Tutorials need more structure Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <524762DF.8020607@verizon.net> References: <52474101.7010904@verizon.net> <20130928233159.56203f9f@aga-netbook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40950) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ3j8-0003ar-DW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:15:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ3j2-0004s0-E4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:15:06 -0400 Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.13]:46215) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ3j2-0004ru-8o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:15:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [70.192.6.143]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MTU00C0QZ8GB320@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:14:41 -0500 (CDT) In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On 9/28/2013 5:52 PM, John Hendy wrote: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 16:50:09 >> Charles Millar napisa=C5=82(a): >> >>> On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: >>>> Aloha Carsten, >>>> >>> snip >>>> First, I think that most statements about "what Org-mode is" are >>>> outdated. Many of them are quite good, but they represent the >>>> previous state of an evolving system and so fail to capture the >>>> full scope. To my mind, Org-mode is a "research programming >>>> interface" written by and for scientists who take very seriously >>>> certain core values of the scientific enterprise--reproducibilit= y, >>>> open access, and open source (a partial list). >>> Strongly disagree with the sentiment. My undergraduate degree may >>> gave been Physics, but I work as a freelance paralegal. I use Org >>> Mode for project (file) planning, scheduling, drafting documents, >>> etc. Also, I believe that there are some very active participants= on >>> this list who are not scientists and have made great contribution= s. >> +1. Although I'm also a scientist (mathematics), I used Org-mode = /once/ >> for science, and it turned out that I felt very much constrained a= nd >> quickly got back to LaTeX, where I felt much more comfortable. >> http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski >> Adam Mickiewicz University >> > This is starting to remind me of bike-shedding. Org-mode is a toolb= ox > providing various things that can work toward whatever end one want= s. > It's agnostic to field. It doesn't really matter what the end uses = are > -- Org-mode "is" what functions it provides. How those are combined= by > others in various fields, lines of work, or so on are simply > illustrations of it's capabilities with respect to neat ways of > combining various aspects of what Org "is." > > Thus, I wouldn't try to pitch these things one way or another ("Org= is > great for paralegals" or "Org is the answer for those doing > re-producible research"); I'd simply list what it does as what is "= is" > and what it can be used "for" as a way to entice new users and help > get into the top results of some google searches for > tools/solutions/etc.. > > It seems we all get what it really "is," (TODOs/agenda, universal > markdown -> export to tons of formats, allowing mixing of > prose/code/results, and so on), but are sort of trying to lay claim= to > why these tools make it best suited toward some particular field. > > Whether you use one of Org's features or all of them, it is what it= is > and this can be highlighted in a neat manner and made appealing to > those looking for help in these relevant areas of life. > > > John > > You said it better than I. Charlie