Re: Item task_id not being used in taskjuggler export & tj prefixing

[Buddy Butterfly <buddy.butterfly@web.de>]

Hi John,

regarding your "potential" IRC date with Christian Egli, I would like
to join, if I*ll find the time. For when is it scheduled? I have also posted
a base for discussion here on the list.

Thanks and best regards,
Matt



Am 01.04.2013 23:53, schrieb John Hendy:
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Buddy Butterfly <buddy.butterfly@web.de> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> regarding your example
>>
>>   ** Milestones  :M:
>>   *** Task
>>       :PROPERTIES:
>>       :task_id: M2
>>       :depends: T8
>>       :END:
>>
>>   ** Technical  :T:
>>      :PROPERTIES:
>>      :task_id:  T
>>      :END:
>>   *** Task
>>       :PROPERTIES:
>>       :task_id:  T8
>>       :duration: 1d
>>       :END:
>>
>>
>> I would like to discus what I mean with a prefix.
>> At the moment oex tries to mirror some functionality of
>> tj to org mode. From an architectural point of view I
>> would do this only for few selected functionalities.
>> Otherwise you developers have to always adapt code to
>> tj. If you would implement generic tj properties that
>> will be exported as is, then one could easily write
>> the tj stuff itself.
>>
>> The problem becomes obvious with your example above.
>> Herr you expect that T8 would be unique across all
>> tasks. If there are some other task paths with a task of
>> T8 then this will not work. You will always run after
>> tj implementing what they have implemented. Why not
>> write:
>>
>>   :depends: !!T.T8
>>
>> directly? This is what should be done. Leave the tj
>> logic to tj and do not try to map it to org-mode.
>> The more you map the more difficult to maintain, etc.
>>
> I agree and would prefer this. Especially since folks wanting to
> export and being allowed to access tj functionality through drawers
> are probably going to anticipate using actual tj syntax in those
> drawers. Since tj only forces unique global ids (one can have M.T8,
> T.T8, etc.), this would solve the issue of ambiguity should one decide
> to use non-globally unique task ids. In fact, many projects may very
> well use a lot of repetitive tasks with the same properties.
>
> In mine, I have some tasks regarding shipping products to various
> countries. This way I could just have a bunch of country-specific
> headlines like:
>
> * Country
> ** Ship product
>
> * Country 2
> ** Ship product
>
> And could give all the ** Ship... tasks the same id since their
> Country parent would make it globally unique.
>
> For now, I'm just happy to have functionality restored so I can use
> Org and not hand-edit the files after exporting :) I have a potential
> IRC date with Christian Egli sometime this week... perhaps you should
> join and add your feedback? One of my other points of input would be
> that something like C-c l (Org store link at point) would be great.
> Unique ids could be inserted as depends with some simple key strokes
> and I would't have to use numbered IDs at all. They'd stay with the
> tasks no matter where I moved them.
>
> For that... I'd actually prefer *not* to have to explicitly name the
> parent since they could move wherever I put them with no consequence.
>
>
> John