* Editing folded headlines and ellipses
@ 2013-03-10 0:37 Suvayu Ali
2013-03-10 9:34 ` Bastien
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From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-03-10 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs Org mode
Hi Bastien and others,
I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
near the ellipses. This was to protect against accidental edits. I see
this not there anymore, can we have it back?
I tried looking for the thread/patch but couldn't find it.
Hope this helps,
PS: Patchwork seems to be down.
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
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* Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses
2013-03-10 0:37 Editing folded headlines and ellipses Suvayu Ali
@ 2013-03-10 9:34 ` Bastien
2013-03-10 9:57 ` Suvayu Ali
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From: Bastien @ 2013-03-10 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: Emacs Org mode
Hi Suvayu,
Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
> I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
> back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
> near the ellipses. This was to protect against accidental edits. I see
> this not there anymore, can we have it back?
You mean `org-catch-invisible-edits'? It's still here...
HTH,
--
Bastien
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* Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses
2013-03-10 9:34 ` Bastien
@ 2013-03-10 9:57 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-03-11 14:04 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
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From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-03-10 9:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: Emacs Org mode
Hi Bastien,
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:34:26AM +0100, Bastien wrote:
> Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
> > back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
> > near the ellipses. This was to protect against accidental edits. I see
> > this not there anymore, can we have it back?
>
> You mean `org-catch-invisible-edits'? It's still here...
Ah, I missed it since I did not have that variable set. Thanks and
sorry for the noise.
Cheers,
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
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* Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses
2013-03-10 9:57 ` Suvayu Ali
@ 2013-03-11 14:04 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2013-03-12 12:45 ` Bastien
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From: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira @ 2013-03-11 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: Bastien, Emacs Org mode
That is another nice feature of org-mode I didn't know about.
I set the variable to 'error now..
Any reason why nil is the default?
At Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:57:15 +0100,
Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> Hi Bastien,
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:34:26AM +0100, Bastien wrote:
> > Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
> > > back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
> > > near the ellipses. This was to protect against accidental edits. I see
> > > this not there anymore, can we have it back?
> >
> > You mean `org-catch-invisible-edits'? It's still here...
>
> Ah, I missed it since I did not have that variable set. Thanks and
> sorry for the noise.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Suvayu
>
> Open source is the future. It sets us free.
>
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* Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses
2013-03-11 14:04 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
@ 2013-03-12 12:45 ` Bastien
2013-03-12 13:44 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
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From: Bastien @ 2013-03-12 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira; +Cc: Emacs Org mode
Hi Darlan,
Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com> writes:
> That is another nice feature of org-mode I didn't know about.
I just documented it in the manual, thanks!
> I set the variable to 'error now..
>
> Any reason why nil is the default?
IMO setting it to non-nil would be too intrusive for
most users.
--
Bastien
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* Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses
2013-03-12 12:45 ` Bastien
@ 2013-03-12 13:44 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2013-03-12 14:21 ` Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses) Bastien
2013-03-13 9:00 ` Editing folded headlines and ellipses Bastien
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From: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira @ 2013-03-12 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: Emacs Org mode
At Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:45:27 +0100,
Bastien wrote:
>
> Hi Darlan,
>
> Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > That is another nice feature of org-mode I didn't know about.
>
> I just documented it in the manual, thanks!
>
> > I set the variable to 'error now..
> >
> > Any reason why nil is the default?
>
> IMO setting it to non-nil would be too intrusive for
> most users.
That is true, but in this case I think it is a good thing, specially for
new users. I have edited some invisible part by mistake in the past, but
because I saw my mistake I could undo until the buffer was not marked as
modified anymore (I save a lot, therefore this was enough). Nowadays I'm
always careful to avoid this, but having org-mode do that for me gives me
some piece of mind that I won't mess with my precious org-mode files by
mistake..
In my case I don't think I'll ever need to edit invisible text by hand. The
only time I edit invisible text is when performing some search and
replacement in some region containing folded subtrees (or in the whole
buffer), but this works even org-catch-invisible-edits is set to error,
which is great for me.
I don't know which option would be a better default, but I think nil is not
the one (unless there is some performance loss I didn't see due to the
check).
--
Darlan
>
> --
> Bastien
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* Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses)
2013-03-12 13:44 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
@ 2013-03-12 14:21 ` Bastien
2013-03-12 14:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2013-03-13 9:00 ` Editing folded headlines and ellipses Bastien
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From: Bastien @ 2013-03-12 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira; +Cc: Emacs Org mode
Hi Darlan,
Mhh... yes, I see.
I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
but I'd like to know what other contributors think.
So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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2013-03-12 14:21 ` Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses) Bastien
@ 2013-03-12 14:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-03-12 14:29 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-12 14:33 ` Suvayu Ali
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From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2013-03-12 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Dnia 2013-03-12, o godz. 15:21:53
Bastien <bzg@altern.org> napisał(a):
> Hi Darlan,
>
> Mhh... yes, I see.
>
> I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
> but I'd like to know what other contributors think.
>
> So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?
I'm not (yet?) a contributor, just a simpleton user, but for me: nil is
a bad idea here.
> Thanks,
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Adam Mickiewicz University
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* Re: Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses)
2013-03-12 14:21 ` Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses) Bastien
2013-03-12 14:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
@ 2013-03-12 14:29 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-12 14:33 ` Suvayu Ali
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-03-12 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: Emacs Org mode
On 12.3.2013, at 15:21, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:
> Hi Darlan,
>
> Mhh... yes, I see.
>
> I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
> but I'd like to know what other contributors think.
>
> So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?
I think the default should be nil. Org-mode is also a basic text mode, and I think it should not deviate too much from other modes.
I think better advertising this might be all that is needed.
- Carsten
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* Re: Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses)
2013-03-12 14:21 ` Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses) Bastien
2013-03-12 14:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-03-12 14:29 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2013-03-12 14:33 ` Suvayu Ali
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From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-03-12 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs Org mode
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 03:21:53PM +0100, Bastien wrote:
>
> I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
> but I'd like to know what other contributors think.
>
> So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?
Although I set it to 'show, I still think the default should be nil. My
reasoning is simple; the alternatives are too many and too varied.
Cheers,
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
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* Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses
2013-03-12 13:44 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2013-03-12 14:21 ` Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses) Bastien
@ 2013-03-13 9:00 ` Bastien
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From: Bastien @ 2013-03-13 9:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira; +Cc: Emacs Org mode
Okay, let's stick to nil as the default value for
`org-catch-invisible-edits' -- it is now documented in
the manual, which is good enough IMO.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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