From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Torsten Wagner Subject: Is there a prominent place to announce user-interface changes ? Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 01:25:19 +0900 Message-ID: <4edb2bbc0911060825l79804f09w100cea85b593404e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2130105961==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6Rcs-0004dH-2t for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:25:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6Rcn-0004Zs-H4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:25:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34915 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N6Rcn-0004Zp-9c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:25:21 -0500 Received: from mail-pz0-f192.google.com ([209.85.222.192]:50265) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N6Rcm-00031B-Rh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:25:21 -0500 Received: by pzk30 with SMTP id 30so827762pzk.24 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:25:19 -0800 (PST) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============2130105961== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2298a30daa60477b64ad1 --000e0cd2298a30daa60477b64ad1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, I'm not long on this list so don't kick me if I'm riding a dead horse. I noticed the extreme speed of the development of org-mode (which is with no doubts great). Sometimes, long time existing key-bindings have to be rearranged (at least I noticed twice on the list) to make more space for the steadily growing org-mode functionality. Always this create a lot of discussion since many people familiar with the old bindings already even if the seems to be sub-optimal now. I just wonder, would it make sense to add a chapter 0 to the org-mode manual and/or a dedicated page at a prominent place on worg which depicts only those key-binding changes from release version to release version. I just think about the changes which affect peoples daily work directly maybe without warnings. That means from a standard changelog, exclude new features, nothing about internal changes, no bugfix reports etc.. By this way this list should be rather small but very important for (long-time) org-mode users. It is not enjoyable to find out in the middle of a "I just like to finish it and come to the meeting in a second .... " time-frame that things change during the last update. Emacs and org-mode make use of 8 fingers and 2 thumbs without much visual feedback. Therefore, most user use key-bindings in a heart-beating, breathing way without thinking about it. Might be a good idea if there is a central place to tell them to fight mentally for a while against there subconscious or reconfigure it as they like. Just an idea. Regards Torsten BTW. I noticed that "[Orgmode]" is not added automatically to the subject. Is this a feature or a bug :) ? I know from other mail-lists that this is done automatically. --000e0cd2298a30daa60477b64ad1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone,

I'm not long on this list so don't kick me if I= 'm riding a dead horse. I noticed the extreme speed of the development = of org-mode (which is with no doubts great). Sometimes, long time existing = key-bindings have to be rearranged (at least I noticed twice on the list) t= o make more space for the steadily growing org-mode functionality. Always t= his create a lot of discussion since many people familiar with the old bind= ings already even if the seems to be sub-optimal now.

I just wonder, would it make sense to add a chapter 0 to the org-mode m= anual and/or a dedicated page at a prominent place on worg which depicts on= ly those key-binding changes from release version to release version.
I just think about the changes which affect peoples daily work directly may= be without warnings. That means from a standard changelog, exclude new feat= ures, nothing about internal changes, no bugfix reports etc.. By this way t= his list should be rather small but very important for (long-time) org-mode= users.
It is not enjoyable to find out in the middle of a "I just like to fin= ish it and come to the meeting in a second .... " time-frame that thin= gs change during the last update. Emacs and org-mode make use of=A0 8 finge= rs and 2 thumbs without much visual feedback. Therefore, most user use key-= bindings in a heart-beating, breathing way without thinking about it. Might= be a good idea if there is a central place to tell them to fight mentally = for a while against there subconscious or reconfigure it as they like.
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Just an idea.

Regards

Torsten

BTW. I notice= d that "[Orgmode]" is not added automatically to the subject. Is = this a feature or a bug :) ? I know from other mail-lists that this is done= automatically.

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