From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira Subject: Re: Beamer support in Org-mode Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:08:52 -0300 Message-ID: <4b2e3e17.1502be0a.017c.0e5f@mx.google.com> References: <6A790953-D036-4BAE-8833-E5B343A15331@gmail.com> <8F9C582F-F254-4FF7-A22B-E3D90081D380@gmail.com> <4b0ec920.0407c00a.1a73.1d20@mx.google.com> <87eimwb5he.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> <6ac505ad0912151107i5944cc89ma18cfed98712d7f6@mail.gmail.com> <4b27e848.e302be0a.7924.08ae@mx.google.com> <20091218110607.GE5666@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> <9705.1261148787@alphaville.usa.hp.com> <6ac505ad0912181301v65646abdrb3f5252b433114f0@mail.gmail.com> <46810F0E-8972-409F-AA12-02654EFC12AC@tsdye.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NMNPL-0008Ku-8K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:09:19 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NMNPG-0008Jd-9S for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:09:18 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51879 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NMNPG-0008Ja-52 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 Received: from mail-gx0-f224.google.com ([209.85.217.224]:41039) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NMNPF-00028m-Ow for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:09:13 -0500 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so3054789gxk.6 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:09:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <46810F0E-8972-409F-AA12-02654EFC12AC@tsdye.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "Thomas S. Dye" Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org I also liked this idea. Since beamer does not track where the \note command is used inside the frame and just puts every note from that frame in the next "notes slide", then there is no loss if org-mode put several \note commands in the end of the frame environment when exporting. Therefore, a headline below the frame headline seems to be a good approach. Also, if the beamer notes are not desired when exporting to other formats one could add a tag to the "notes headline" and use the already available feature of not exporting headlines with a given tag. - Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:33:14 -1000, "Thomas S. Dye" wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > On Dec 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Daniel Martins wrote: > > > \pnote could be an option > > > > Another idea is to reserve the lowest level to notes > > > > * section > > ** subsection > > *** frame > > etc > > > > > > ************** notes > > > > (I don't know how many *'s are needed) > > > > maybe we can set a number / variable > > > > like > > > > org-beamer-frame-level > > > > we could create > > > > org-beamer-notes-level > > > > Daniel > > > > > > 2009/12/18 Nick Dokos : > >> Adam Spiers wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:49:23PM -0300, Darlan Cavalcante > >>> Moreira wrote: > >>>> In addition, while I also agree that footnotes shouldn't be in a > >>>> presentation > >>>> they are allowed when working with beamer and may be useful in > >>>> some cases. If > >>>> org-mode export footnotes as beamer notes then some months from > >>>> now someone > >>>> would be asking here in the mailing-list how to enter a standard > >>>> footnote when > >>>> exporting to beamer. > >>> > >>> I agree - unfortunately there are genuinely sensible uses of > >>> footnotes > >>> in presentations. For example, citation of sources for quotations, > >>> data etc. is ideally accomplished by footnotes: they are not used > >>> during the presentation itself, but by distributing paper and/or > >>> electronic copies after the talk, footnotes provide essential > >>> reference data for perusal by the audience at a later date. > >>> > >> I think that's an argument *for* Eric's idea (assuming that the > >> handout > >> includes notes - that's my practice, but maybe not everybody does > >> that, > >> although they *should* :-) ). > >> > >> In general, I think slides should be very simple: single-level lists, > >> single idea per slide, no footnotes - but I know that generalities > >> like > >> that are just guidelines: meant to be broken, given a good enough > >> cause. > >> > >>> Imagine a slide showing the results of a benchmark, claiming "X is > >>> much faster than Y!" You might want to talk briefly about how the > >>> results were obtained, and about the impact of the results, but you > >>> would also need to be able to tell the audience they could > >>> independently verify the results by obtaining a copy of the slides > >>> and > >>> visiting the URL contained in the footnote - especially if the > >>> results > >>> are controversial! In this case, it would not matter that the URL > >>> was > >>> too small to be legible from the back of the room. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> How does inverting Eric's idea sound: invent a new kind of footnote, > >> let's call it, say, a "pnote", which is treated exactly like a > >> footnote in > >> all exports *except* beamer. In beamer, footnotes end up in the frame > >> and pnotes end up in the notes. > >> > >> Not sure whether the implementation would be as simple as this > >> makes it > >> sound, but who knows?[1] > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Nick > >> > >> [1] Well, OK: Carsten knows... > >> > > FWIW, I like this idea. I think it tracks the mapping between beamer > and LaTeX very well. > > In my experience, beamer slide shows are an aid in the spoken > presentation of a LaTeX article. > > Beamer does a good job of mapping the higher level LaTeX sectioning > commands, with some themes that automatically display down to > subsection. To my mind, frames in beamer capture lower-level > structure (e.g. subsubsection, paragraph, subparagraph) in their > (often over-used) bulleted lists, and (more appropriately) the > photographs, diagrams, maps etc. that are inserted as figures in the > LaTeX article. As others on the list have noted, LaTeX footnotes also > map fairly directly to beamer footnotes. > > This leaves most of the text of the article, which from my perspective > maps to beamer notes. Marking off notes with the headline below the > last one that deals with frames and their paraphernalia seems natural > to me. The typical org-mode file that exports to LaTeX will have big > chunks that transfer very readily to the notes sections of a beamer > presentation. > > I don't know whether the idea makes sense from the point of view of > implementation, though, because I can't really read the org-mode Lisp > code owing to my own illiteracy. > > All the best, > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode