Verbatim export

Verbatim export

[Vincent Belaïche]

Hello,

I would like to know how to make some sequence of characters to be
verbatim, ie that special characters lose their special meaning.

For instance in the following quote the first `-' will be interpreted as
a bullet point when exporting to HTML

#+begin_quote
  - this -
#+end_quote

So I tried this:

#+begin_quote
  ~-~ this -
#+end_quote

but then the first `-' is not in the same font as the second one, it
looks exaclty the same as if I had used the code =xxx= font
specfication.


I also tried this:

#+begin_quote
  \- this -
#+end_quote

I does not work (the first dash is not exported at all).

The same problem is for `[0]', how can you get this string not to be
interpreted as a footnote reference.

It should be possible to make the following type of things:

#+begin_verbatim
   [0]
#+end_verbatim

or  \verbatim{EOF}Hello - EOF

where EOF can be any string that is not found in the verbatim string. so

      \verbatim{.}Hello - .

would to the same as \verbatim{xxx}Hello - xxx.


In the same vein, it would be useful to have some \relax{} macro not
expanding to anything, this way _\relax{}  some underlining with
underlined leading spaces_ would work.

BR,
   Vincent.
 

Re: Verbatim export

[Christian Moe]

Hi,

Typographically, isn't what you want here an *en dash*, rather than a 
hyphen? When the dash is set off by a space, that is usually the case.

Try:

#+begin_quote
   -- this --
#+end_quote

(don't forget to add a space after the last double hyphen, or it will 
not be converted)

Cheers,
CM


Vincent Belaïche wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I would like to know how to make some sequence of characters to be
> verbatim, ie that special characters lose their special meaning.
> 
> For instance in the following quote the first `-' will be interpreted as
> a bullet point when exporting to HTML
> 
> #+begin_quote
>   - this -
> #+end_quote
> 
> So I tried this:
> 
> #+begin_quote
>   ~-~ this -
> #+end_quote
> 
> but then the first `-' is not in the same font as the second one, it
> looks exaclty the same as if I had used the code =xxx= font
> specfication.
> 
> 
> I also tried this:
> 
> #+begin_quote
>   \- this -
> #+end_quote
> 
> I does not work (the first dash is not exported at all).
> 
> The same problem is for `[0]', how can you get this string not to be
> interpreted as a footnote reference.
> 
> It should be possible to make the following type of things:
> 
> #+begin_verbatim
>    [0]
> #+end_verbatim
> 
> or  \verbatim{EOF}Hello - EOF
> 
> where EOF can be any string that is not found in the verbatim string. so
> 
>       \verbatim{.}Hello - .
> 
> would to the same as \verbatim{xxx}Hello - xxx.
> 
> 
> In the same vein, it would be useful to have some \relax{} macro not
> expanding to anything, this way _\relax{}  some underlining with
> underlined leading spaces_ would work.
> 
> BR,
>    Vincent.
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Verbatim export

[Bernt Hansen]

Vincent Belaïche <vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr> writes:

> I would like to know how to make some sequence of characters to be
> verbatim, ie that special characters lose their special meaning.
>
> For instance in the following quote the first `-' will be interpreted as
> a bullet point when exporting to HTML
>
> #+begin_quote
>   - this -
> #+end_quote
>
> So I tried this:
>
> #+begin_quote
>   ~-~ this -
> #+end_quote
>
> but then the first `-' is not in the same font as the second one, it
> looks exaclty the same as if I had used the code =xxx= font
> specfication.
>
>
> I also tried this:
>
> #+begin_quote
>   \- this -
> #+end_quote
>
> I does not work (the first dash is not exported at all).
>
> The same problem is for `[0]', how can you get this string not to be
> interpreted as a footnote reference.
>
> It should be possible to make the following type of things:
>
> #+begin_verbatim
>    [0]
> #+end_verbatim


#+begin_example
  - this -
#+end_example

  : - this one too
  : - and that one - 


HTH,
Bernt

RE: Re: Verbatim export

[Vincent Belaïche]

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[...]

>
>
> #+begin_example
> - this -
> #+end_example
>
> : - this one too
> : - and that one -
>
>

Thank you for your quick reply, this is not exactly what I was looking
for. What you propose will encapsulate all the text into a
<pre class="example" > </pre> block. This means that the font and
background color are changed. I would not like this to happen, just the
characters to lose their special meaning. 

Probably my initial email was confusing because I used the term
"verbatim" which in LaTeX changes the font. What I am looking for is to
make some text to be interpreted litterally, without having all the
surrounding formatters to be overloaded.

The dash is not a very good example because most of the time the
solution is just not to place any dash at the beginning of a line.
However I had the following issue: I wanted to quote some text (so using
#+begin/end_quote), and this text was beginning with a dash, then I
didn't know how to escape the dash. 

The issue which I meet more often is when there are some `[0]' which I
don't want to be interpreted as footnotes, so I was proposing some
general solution like 

\verbatim{EOF}In reference [0] EOF.

Another solution would be to have a \relax{} macro, then the following
would also work

In reference [\relax{}0]

\relax would also make it for like for dashes:

#+begin_quote
\relax{}- this dash is not a bullet mark
#+end_quote

Well, there are several ways to solve the issue. I am not sure which is
better.

  Vincent

> HTH,
> Bernt
>
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Re: Re: Verbatim export

[Bernt Hansen]

Vincent Belaïche <vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr> writes:

> [...]
>
>>
>>
>> #+begin_example
>> - this -
>> #+end_example
>>
>> : - this one too
>> : - and that one -
>>
>>
>
> Thank you for your quick reply, this is not exactly what I was looking
> for. What you propose will encapsulate all the text into a
> <pre class="example" > </pre> block. This means that the font and
> background color are changed. I would not like this to happen, just the
> characters to lose their special meaning.
>
> Probably my initial email was confusing because I used the term
> "verbatim" which in LaTeX changes the font. What I am looking for is to
> make some text to be interpreted litterally, without having all the
> surrounding formatters to be overloaded.
>
> The dash is not a very good example because most of the time the
> solution is just not to place any dash at the beginning of a line.
> However I had the following issue: I wanted to quote some text (so using
> #+begin/end_quote), and this text was beginning with a dash, then I
> didn't know how to escape the dash.
>
> The issue which I meet more often is when there are some `[0]' which I
> don't want to be interpreted as footnotes, so I was proposing some
> general solution like
>
> \verbatim{EOF}In reference [0] EOF.
>
> Another solution would be to have a \relax{} macro, then the following
> would also work
>
> In reference [\relax{}0]
>
> \relax would also make it for like for dashes:
>
> #+begin_quote
> \relax{}- this dash is not a bullet mark
> #+end_quote
>
> Well, there are several ways to solve the issue. I am not sure which is
> better.

The only other thing that works today that I'm aware of is you surround
your text with equal signs as in =[0]= but this also probably doesn't do
exactly what you want for both LaTeX and HTML export.  This uses \texttt
in LaTeX and <code>...</code> in HTML.

In HTML you're free to defined CSS for the <code> block but you won't
end up with a verbatim block in LaTeX.  I proposed the two previous
examples because preceeding the text with ': ' creates
a \begin{verbatim} block in LaTeX.

If you document is targeted only for LaTeX export then you can use LaTeX
macros directly in the source.

Regards,
Bernt

RE: Re: Verbatim export

[Vincent Belaïche]

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Thanks for the feedback.

BR,

  Vincent.

> To: vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr
> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Re: Verbatim export
> From: bernt@norang.ca
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:13:09 -0400
> CC: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> 
> Vincent Belaïche <vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr> writes:
> 
> > [...]
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> #+begin_example
> >> - this -
> >> #+end_example
> >>
> >> : - this one too
> >> : - and that one -
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Thank you for your quick reply, this is not exactly what I was looking
> > for. What you propose will encapsulate all the text into a
> > <pre class="example" > </pre> block. This means that the font and
> > background color are changed. I would not like this to happen, just the
> > characters to lose their special meaning.
> >
> > Probably my initial email was confusing because I used the term
> > "verbatim" which in LaTeX changes the font. What I am looking for is to
> > make some text to be interpreted litterally, without having all the
> > surrounding formatters to be overloaded.
> >
> > The dash is not a very good example because most of the time the
> > solution is just not to place any dash at the beginning of a line.
> > However I had the following issue: I wanted to quote some text (so using
> > #+begin/end_quote), and this text was beginning with a dash, then I
> > didn't know how to escape the dash.
> >
> > The issue which I meet more often is when there are some `[0]' which I
> > don't want to be interpreted as footnotes, so I was proposing some
> > general solution like
> >
> > \verbatim{EOF}In reference [0] EOF.
> >
> > Another solution would be to have a \relax{} macro, then the following
> > would also work
> >
> > In reference [\relax{}0]
> >
> > \relax would also make it for like for dashes:
> >
> > #+begin_quote
> > \relax{}- this dash is not a bullet mark
> > #+end_quote
> >
> > Well, there are several ways to solve the issue. I am not sure which is
> > better.
> 
> The only other thing that works today that I'm aware of is you surround
> your text with equal signs as in =[0]= but this also probably doesn't do
> exactly what you want for both LaTeX and HTML export.  This uses \texttt
> in LaTeX and <code>...</code> in HTML.
> 
> In HTML you're free to defined CSS for the <code> block but you won't
> end up with a verbatim block in LaTeX.  I proposed the two previous
> examples because preceeding the text with ': ' creates
> a \begin{verbatim} block in LaTeX.
> 
> If you document is targeted only for LaTeX export then you can use LaTeX
> macros directly in the source.
> 
> Regards,
> Bernt
> 
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