From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Scott Otterson Subject: Re: Add a space with M-left/right (Carsten Dominik) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:41:32 -0800 Message-ID: <4586D2CC.1000905@u.washington.edu> References: <200612181704.kBIH4aRK008940@bp34.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1700104716==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GwMdG-0002bF-Pf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:50:34 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GwMdF-0002aE-8a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:50:34 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwMdF-0002a6-3c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:50:33 -0500 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GwMdE-0000y4-Ax for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:50:32 -0500 Received: from [66.111.4.28] (helo=out4.smtp.messagingengine.com) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GwMX9-0006T7-NS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:44:16 -0500 Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109355565A for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (user-0c2idhm.cable.earthlink.net [24.41.54.54]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E050223DD for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:41:35 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200612181704.kBIH4aRK008940@bp34.u.washington.edu> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1700104716== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050606070402090909030108" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050606070402090909030108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten, I can make this happen in the org file between the dashes: ---------------------------- * headline1 * headline2 * headline3 --------------------------- If I put the cursor at the end of headline2 and then hit M-enter, M-rightArrow, the result is a new headline with no space between the '*' and the cursor. Scott > From: Carsten Dominik > > OK, next try: > > I can reproduce this is a headline that contains only ***, bit no TODO > keyword. > If there is a TODO keyword, the space is preserved. > > I am also fixing this..... > > - Carsten > > On Dec 16, 2006, at 21:03, Scott Jaderholm wrote: > > >> Carsten, >> I definitely have this problem in the middle of the buffer with 4.59. >> Console mode. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> >> On 12/14/06, Carsten Dominik < carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Dec 13, 2006, at 17:37, Scott Jaderholm wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It is nice that M-RET adds a space after the last * so that you can >>>> start typing right away. If I M-left/right the headline though >>>> >>> before >>> >>>> I have typed anything then that charity space is eliminated, and I >>>> often find myself accidently typing ***Something like this instead >>>> >>> of >>> >>>> *** This. Can we make it so M-left/right preserves the space? >>>> >>> This is only a problem at the end of the buffer, I think. >>> For this case I have now fixed it, will be in 4.60. >>> If you also see that problem in the middle of the buffer, >>> let me know and we will dig deeper. >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> > > -- > Carsten Dominik > Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" > Universiteit van Amsterdam > Kruislaan 403 > NL-1098SJ Amsterdam > phone: +31 20 525 7477 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:29:23 +0100 > From: Carsten Dominik > Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Table questions > To: Michael > Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > On Dec 14, 2006, at 17:19, Michael wrote: > > >> I recently started using org-mode and love its table feature. Here >> are some >> questions that I have: >> >> 1. In table calculation, how to refer to a cell in a different column >> and >> different row? Specifically, I want column 8 row 5 to be the ratio >> of >> column 7 row 5 and column 7 row 4. >> > > You cannot, at least currently. I am not sure how well this would > work, because the table editor makes it very easy to swap rows, columns, > to add and delete columns, and such references would become invalid > unless one would carefully track these changes. There is a limit > of what is still reasonable with the concept of org-mode tables. > If you want to create really complicated tables, maybe you are better > off > with a link to another file in which you use SES, or even Excel. > > Having said this, I do want to do a bit more in this direction, but > this is nowhere near completion. > > >> 2. I think the table minor mode would be a fantastic tool in editing >> tables >> in a LaTeX file. I wonder whether it is possible to let orgtbl >> recognize >> \begin{tabular}\end{tabular} and use & as column delimiter rather >> than | >> (also respect end of line \\)? >> > > Yes, I think it would and I have been thinking to make this possible. > However, once I allow this, people will want to use \multicolumn, and > this seems for me to be beyond the scope. > > Have you tried > > M-x align-current RET > > in a LaTeX table? It does wonders. > > - Carsten > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:39:32 +0100 > From: Carsten Dominik > Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Table questions > To: "Eddward DeVilla" > Cc: Michael , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Message-ID: <2e0d22172cf3b7e6c936629ea9466569@science.uva.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I have no plans to make something as complicated as this work with > the orgtbl mode. I agree it would be nice to have, but I would not know > where to start. > > - Carsten > > > On Dec 15, 2006, at 17:08, Eddward DeVilla wrote: > > >> I'll follow this up with a few more wishes. Could the table minor >> mode maybe be extended to allow the user to define delimiters? Say >> draw a picture? >> >> struct hugeStaticTable initData = { >> // Draw a picture >> // ORG-ROW-DEF { /* key*/ $1 , /* name */ $2 , /* location */ { /* >> x */ $3 , /* y */ $4 } , /* comment*/ $5 }, >> { /* key */ 0, /* name */ "Bob", /* location */ { /* x */ 10.0, /* y >> */ 3.2 }, /* comment */ "You know. Bob! Bob. Good times... Good >> times..." } >> { /* key */ 1, /* name */ "Joe", /* location */ { /* x */ 5.5, /* y >> */ 4.4 }, /* comment */ "One fine batter." } >> ... >> }; >> >> I code with a lot of static tables that are populated by hand. >> Keeping them formatted is critical to keeping the code maintainable. >> I'd think that this example might be too much for the table-minor >> mode, but if there were a way to at least define a row beginning, end >> and field separator, it might help. >> >> struct S d = { >> // ORG-ROW-DEF '{' ',' '}' >> { f1 , f2 , f3 , f4 } >> .... >> >> }; >> >> On 12/14/06, Michael wrote: >> >>> I recently started using org-mode and love its table feature. Here >>> are some >>> questions that I have: >>> >>> 1. In table calculation, how to refer to a cell in a different column >>> and >>> different row? Specifically, I want column 8 row 5 to be the >>> ratio of >>> column 7 row 5 and column 7 row 4. >>> >>> 2. I think the table minor mode would be a fantastic tool in editing >>> tables >>> in a LaTeX file. I wonder whether it is possible to let orgtbl >>> recognize >>> \begin{tabular}\end{tabular} and use & as column delimiter rather >>> than | >>> (also respect end of line \\)? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> > > -- > Carsten Dominik > Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" > Universiteit van Amsterdam > Kruislaan 403 > NL-1098SJ Amsterdam > phone: +31 20 525 7477 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:43:45 +0100 > From: Carsten Dominik > Subject: Re: [Orgmode] bug with table in indirect buffer > To: "Eddward DeVilla" > Cc: emacs-orgmode > Message-ID: <39ea79c0508aabb3cd75446a0152f84a@science.uva.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Yes, there is a bug, it causes problems with quite a few table > operations when the buffer is narrowed. > > Thanks a lot. > > - Carsten > > On Dec 15, 2006, at 21:13, Eddward DeVilla wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> I found a bug with table formatting in an indirect buffer. In the >> file below, if you open the second bullet (My little microcosm) in an >> indirect buffer and cause a table format with say C-c C-c, the table >> will reformat but afterwards the cursor will be moved to the beginning >> of the buffer. Interestingly enough, this doesn't seem to happen if >> the bullet is the first line of the file. >> >> ------- test.org ------- >> >> * top of the world (but not top of the file) >> *** My little microcosm (open me in indirect buffer) >> |- >> | reformat me in indirect buffer >> |- >> >> ------------------------- >> >> Edd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> > > -- > Carsten Dominik > Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" > Universiteit van Amsterdam > Kruislaan 403 > NL-1098SJ Amsterdam > phone: +31 20 525 7477 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:59:49 +0400 > From: "Dmitri Minaev" > Subject: [Orgmode] logging transitional states > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I use org-mode with TODO keywords denoting workflow states. E.g., when > tracking purchases, I set the keywords to: > > #+SEQ_TODO: TODO ORDERED INVOICE PAYED RECEIVED SENT > > Is there a way to log the dates not only for the completion (SENT > state), but also for all transitional states? > > Thank you. > > --------------050606070402090909030108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten,

I can make this happen in the org file between the dashes:
----------------------------
* headline1
* headline2
* headline3
---------------------------
If I put the cursor at the end of headline2 and then hit M-enter, M-rightArrow, the result is a new headline with no space between the '*' and the cursor.

Scott
From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>

OK, next try:

I can reproduce this is a headline that contains only ***, bit no TODO 
keyword.
If there is a TODO keyword, the space is preserved.

I am also fixing this.....

- Carsten

On Dec 16, 2006, at 21:03, Scott Jaderholm wrote:

  
Carsten,
I definitely have this problem in the middle of the buffer with 4.59. 
Console mode.

Thanks,
Scott

On 12/14/06, Carsten Dominik < carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
    
 On Dec 13, 2006, at 17:37, Scott Jaderholm wrote:

      
Hi,

It is nice that M-RET adds a space after the last * so that you can
start typing right away. If I M-left/right the headline though 
        
before
      
I have typed anything then that charity space is eliminated, and I
often find myself accidently typing ***Something like this instead 
        
of
      
*** This. Can we make it so M-left/right preserves the space?
        
This is only a problem at the end of the buffer, I think.
For this case I have now fixed it, will be in 4.60.
If you also see that problem in the middle of the buffer,
let me know and we will dig deeper.

- Carsten

      
_______________________________________________
Emacs-orgmode mailing list
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode

    

--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477





------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:29:23 +0100
From: Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Table questions
To: Michael <wuolong@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Message-ID: <f150b6e490588b2b43bfe31061ce415d@science.uva.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed


On Dec 14, 2006, at 17:19, Michael wrote:

  
I recently started using org-mode and love its table feature.  Here 
are some
questions that I have:

1. In table calculation, how to refer to a cell in a different column 
and
   different row?  Specifically, I want column 8 row 5 to be the ratio 
of
   column 7 row 5 and column 7 row 4.
    

You cannot, at least currently.  I am not sure how well this would
work, because the table editor makes it very easy to swap rows, columns,
to add and delete columns, and such references would become invalid
unless one would carefully track these changes.  There is a limit
of what is still reasonable with the concept of org-mode tables.
If you want to create really complicated tables, maybe you are better 
off
with a link to another file in which you use SES, or even Excel.

Having said this, I do want to do a bit more in this direction, but
this is nowhere near completion.

  
2. I think the table minor mode would be a fantastic tool in editing 
tables
   in a LaTeX file. I wonder whether it is possible to let orgtbl 
recognize
   \begin{tabular}\end{tabular} and use & as column delimiter rather 
than |
   (also respect end of line \\)?
    

Yes, I think it would and I have been thinking to make this possible.
However, once I allow this, people will want to use \multicolumn, and
this seems for me to be beyond the scope.

Have you tried

    M-x align-current RET

in a LaTeX table?  It does wonders.

- Carsten





------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:39:32 +0100
From: Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Table questions
To: "Eddward DeVilla" <eddward@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael <wuolong@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Message-ID: <2e0d22172cf3b7e6c936629ea9466569@science.uva.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have no plans to make something as complicated as this work with
the orgtbl mode.  I agree it would be nice to have, but I would not know
where to start.

- Carsten


On Dec 15, 2006, at 17:08, Eddward DeVilla wrote:

  
I'll follow this up with a few more wishes.  Could the table minor
mode maybe be extended to allow the user to define delimiters?  Say
draw a picture?

struct hugeStaticTable initData = {
 // Draw a picture
 // ORG-ROW-DEF { /* key*/ $1 , /* name */ $2 , /* location */ {  /*
x */ $3 , /* y */ $4 } , /* comment*/ $5 },
 { /* key */ 0, /* name */ "Bob", /* location */ { /* x */ 10.0, /* y
*/ 3.2 }, /* comment */ "You know.  Bob!  Bob.  Good times... Good
times..." }
 { /* key */ 1, /* name */ "Joe", /* location */ { /* x */ 5.5, /* y
*/ 4.4 },  /* comment */ "One fine batter." }
 ...
};

I code with a lot of static tables that are populated by hand.
Keeping them formatted is critical to keeping the code maintainable.
I'd think that this example might be too much for the table-minor
mode, but if there were a way to at least define a row beginning, end
and field separator, it might help.

struct S d = {
 // ORG-ROW-DEF '{'  ',' '}'
 { f1 , f2 , f3 , f4 }
 ....

};

On 12/14/06, Michael <wuolong@gmail.com> wrote:
    
I recently started using org-mode and love its table feature.  Here 
are some
questions that I have:

1. In table calculation, how to refer to a cell in a different column 
and
   different row?  Specifically, I want column 8 row 5 to be the 
ratio of
   column 7 row 5 and column 7 row 4.

2. I think the table minor mode would be a fantastic tool in editing 
tables
   in a LaTeX file. I wonder whether it is possible to let orgtbl 
recognize
   \begin{tabular}\end{tabular} and use & as column delimiter rather 
than |
   (also respect end of line \\)?

Thanks,

Michael



_______________________________________________
Emacs-orgmode mailing list
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode

      
_______________________________________________
Emacs-orgmode mailing list
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode


    

--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477





------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:43:45 +0100
From: Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl>
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] bug with table in indirect buffer
To: "Eddward DeVilla" <eddward@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <39ea79c0508aabb3cd75446a0152f84a@science.uva.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Yes, there is a bug, it causes problems with quite a few table
operations when the buffer is narrowed.

Thanks a lot.

- Carsten

On Dec 15, 2006, at 21:13, Eddward DeVilla wrote:

  
Hi,

I found a bug with table formatting in an indirect buffer.  In the
file below, if you open the second bullet (My little microcosm) in an
indirect buffer and cause a table format with say C-c C-c, the table
will reformat but afterwards the cursor will be moved to the beginning
of the buffer.  Interestingly enough, this doesn't seem to happen if
the bullet is the first line of the file.

------- test.org -------

* top of the world (but not top of the file)
*** My little microcosm (open me in indirect buffer)
   |-
   | reformat me in indirect buffer
   |-

-------------------------

Edd


_______________________________________________
Emacs-orgmode mailing list
Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode


    

--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477





------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:59:49 +0400
From: "Dmitri Minaev" <minaev@gmail.com>
Subject: [Orgmode] logging transitional states
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Message-ID:
	<b6c377310612180459w490f9d39m5e6d6c9a147757fa@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi,

I use org-mode with TODO keywords denoting workflow states. E.g., when
tracking purchases, I set the keywords to:

#+SEQ_TODO: TODO ORDERED INVOICE PAYED RECEIVED SENT

Is there a way to log the dates not only for the completion (SENT
state), but also for all transitional states?

Thank you.
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