How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Maria Shinoto]

Hi all,

this weekend I got through lots of troubles, because I updated my 
orgmode version with "manage emacs packages" menu command and somehow 
got mixed preferences.

Now, after a clean install, I have org mode 8.2.10 and would like to
update to version 8.3.x (20160808) which is shown under the menu command
"manage emacs packages".

How can I do this safely, without creating a mess again?

Thanks for all advice,
Maria

Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Cook, Malcolm]

> this weekend I got through lots of troubles, because I updated my
 > orgmode version with "manage emacs packages" menu command and
 > somehow
 > got mixed preferences.
 > 
 > Now, after a clean install, I have org mode 8.2.10 and would like to
 > update to version 8.3.x (20160808) which is shown under the menu
 > command
 > "manage emacs packages".
 > 
 > How can I do this safely, without creating a mess again?

Here's what I do, at the shell:

	  emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))  (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"

This assures that org is not already loaded when org is compiled, which I've learned is the source of creating a mess.

Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org.  If you want just org, you could simply:

	  emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"

HTH,

Malcolm

 > 
 > Thanks for all advice,
 > Maria

Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Maria Shinoto]

Thanks again, this was really helpful, and I understand the logic.

To explain what worked:

- My Emacs was simply the downloaded version of "EmacsForOSX", which 
resides in the application folder.

- The path to the emacs file that opens from the Terminal turned out to be
      /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs

- So the Terminal commands was

      /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q

- After checking that only the 2 regular buffers were active and orgmode 
not loaded, I installed the package with the package manager.



It worked well, my org-mode is now the newest version, and updating this 
way was really easy.


May I suggest that the procedure that Malcolm explained so well will be 
part of the explanation/wiki/manuals?

Beginners like me can become confused -- software bug, stupid user bug, 
what else...


Cheers to the list,
Maria




Am 16.08.16 um 13:19 schrieb Cook, Malcolm:
> Answers are out of order:
>
> (2) - oops , you are correct.  What you want is:
>
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package)
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org))"
>
>
> (1) - you have 2 copies of emacs installed on your mac probably one
> in /usr/bin/emacs .  How did you install the gui version?  If
> Homebrew, then the other is in /usr/local/bin/emacs.  If EmacsForOSX
> then, if I remember correctly, it is in /Applications/Emacs.app which
> is really just a folder and which contains in it Emacs the actual
> emacs program to run.  In any case, just replace emacs in the above
> command line with the full path to the emacs you are using, like
> this:
>
>> /usr/local/bin/emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package)
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org))"
>
> or this
>
>> /Applications/Emacs.app/emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require
>> 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents)
>> (package-install 'org))"
>
>
> (3)  yes - start a fresh emacs and don't load your init.el file,
> using the -Q option, like this
>
>> /Applications/Emacs.app/emacs -Q
>
> And then don't load any .org files!!! Go directly to the package
> manager and refresh your org installation like any other package.
>
> ~ malcolm_cook@stowers.org
>
> ________________________________________ From: Maria Shinoto
> <maria@shinoto.de> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:06 PM To: Cook,
> Malcolm Subject: Re: [O] How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to
> 8.3.x
>
> Hi,
>
> so, it was good that I asked, thanks for your advice.
>
> I got the idea, but there are two questions left. I prefer simple
> org since I am a beginner and want to start with the standards.
>
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
>> 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
>> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org.  If you
>> want just org, you could simply:
>>
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package)
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
> (1) When I check my emacs version in the Terminal (running Mac OS X
> 10.11), I get version "GNU Emacs 22.1.1", while asking from the GUI
> shows version 24.5 (9.0). I do not understand why this can happen,
> how these are separated and how they influence each other.
> Furthermore, if they are separate, how should an installation from
> the Terminal influence the situation in the GUI?
>
>
>
> (2) Your second script is different, but it still deals with
> "org-plus-contrib". Could you verify the script so that I can be
> sure that I install the right org-mode version?
>
>
> (3) Is there a way to safely install the org-mode package from the
> GUI package manager? This would be easiest, since I intend to go on
> with the GUI emacs. In other words, I am looking for a way to start
> the GUI without org-mode loaded (similar to "emacs -Q" in the
> Terminal).
>
>
> Thanks again, Maria
>
>

Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Jorge]

On 15 August 2016 at 14:29, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
>           emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))  (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
Here I plan to drop the "-Q" (because --batch already implies -q,
which I think is enough).  So my command would be
    emacs --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
(package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
'org-plus-contrib))"

> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org.  If you want just org, you could simply:
>
>           emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"

Would not it be
    emacs -Q --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package)
(package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
'org))"
?


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Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Jorge]

In the last command I forgot to drop the -Q.  But I guess it works either way.

On 22 August 2016 at 12:25, Jorge <jorge13515@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 August 2016 at 14:29, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
>>           emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))  (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
> Here I plan to drop the "-Q" (because --batch already implies -q,
> which I think is enough).  So my command would be
>     emacs --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
> 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
> 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
>> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org.  If you want just org, you could simply:
>>
>>           emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
> Would not it be
>     emacs -Q --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package)
> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
> 'org))"
> ?
>
>
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> corrections.
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Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Cook, Malcolm]

> In the last command I forgot to drop the -Q.  But I guess it works either way.

I would not trust the result from failing to drop the -Q since the -Q is what prevents your init file from loading, which we are explicitly trying to avoid for the sake of compiling org in a fresh environment.

~Malcolm

 > 
 > On 22 August 2016 at 12:25, Jorge <jorge13515@gmail.com> wrote:
 > > On 15 August 2016 at 14:29, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
 > >>           emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
 > 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))  (package-
 > initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
 > > Here I plan to drop the "-Q" (because --batch already implies -q,
 > > which I think is enough).  So my command would be
 > >     emacs --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
 > > 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
 > > (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
 > > 'org-plus-contrib))"
 > >
 > >> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org.  If you want just
 > org, you could simply:
 > >>
 > >>           emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize)
 > (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
 > >
 > > Would not it be
 > >     emacs -Q --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package)
 > > (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
 > > 'org))"
 > > ?
 > >
 > >
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 > > corrections.
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 > 
 > 
 > 
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 > corrections.
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Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Jorge]

On 22 August 2016 at 14:19, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
>> In the last command I forgot to drop the -Q.  But I guess it works either way.
>
> I would not trust the result from failing to drop the -Q since the -Q is what prevents your init file from loading, which we are explicitly trying to avoid for the sake of compiling org in a fresh environment.
>
According to [[info:emacs#Initial Options]], --batch implies -q.
About -q and -Q, we have:

    ‘-q’
    ‘--no-init-file’
         Do not load any initialization file (*note Init File::).  When
         Emacs is invoked with this option, the Customize facility does not
         allow options to be saved (*note Easy Customization::).  This
         option does not disable loading ‘site-start.el’.
[...]
    ‘-Q’
    ‘--quick’
         Start emacs with minimum customizations.  This is similar to using
         ‘-q’, ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and ‘--no-splash’
         together.  This also stops Emacs from processing X resources by
         setting ‘inhibit-x-resources’ to ‘t’ (*note Resources::).

So --batch implies -q, which is enough to bypass init.el.  -Q is
stronger than -q: it adds ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and
‘--no-splash’ and inibits X resources.  But AFAIK, only my init.el
loads Org, and not site-start.el, which is empty here, or any Lisp
file in a site-lisp directory.  I searched every file in
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp for "org" and I didn't find any line that
loads Org.

I am an Emacs beginner though, so I may be wrong.

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Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x

[Cook, Malcolm]

> > I would not trust the result from failing to drop the -Q since the -Q is what
 > prevents your init file from loading, which we are explicitly trying to avoid
 > for the sake of compiling org in a fresh environment.
 > >
 > According to [[info:emacs#Initial Options]], --batch implies -q.
 > About -q and -Q, we have:
 > 
 >     ‘-q’
 >     ‘--no-init-file’
 >          Do not load any initialization file (*note Init File::).  When
 >          Emacs is invoked with this option, the Customize facility does not
 >          allow options to be saved (*note Easy Customization::).  This
 >          option does not disable loading ‘site-start.el’.
 > [...]
 >     ‘-Q’
 >     ‘--quick’
 >          Start emacs with minimum customizations.  This is similar to using
 >          ‘-q’, ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and ‘--no-splash’
 >          together.  This also stops Emacs from processing X resources by
 >          setting ‘inhibit-x-resources’ to ‘t’ (*note Resources::).


Aha - thanks for the rundown..... 


 > 
 > So --batch implies -q, which is enough to bypass init.el.  -Q is
 > stronger than -q: it adds ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and
 > ‘--no-splash’ and inibits X resources.  But AFAIK, only my init.el
 > loads Org, and not site-start.el, which is empty here, or any Lisp
 > file in a site-lisp directory.  I searched every file in
 > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp for "org" and I didn't find any line that
 > loads Org.
 > 
 > I am an Emacs beginner though, so I may be wrong.

I'm now figuring you're right.

> 
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