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From: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>
To: stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com>
Cc: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>, Org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [new patch] [PATCH] make org-notify support for macOS desktop notification
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 04:59:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42F783E1-86BF-4980-AD50-3673DC98D12B@chopps.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10EF755E-7DA3-454D-88D7-80C0A8D0E566@gmail.com>

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It may eventually be incorporated into the very popular emacs-mac port (railwaycat tap in homebrew); however, it will probably not be incorporated into the nextstep/emacs main code. I started looking at doing a version for the mainline code, but it’s hard to get motivated b/c using that version of emacs on OS X is a pretty sub-par experience.

I only commented on this b/c I think you might are disabling notifications-notify which work great with my code changes, and using something else if you see Darwin OS, and that will break my native “Just Works” support for notifications, which again may end up on many peoples machines. I would ask that the patch be modified in a way that didn’t break native support if present before it was accepted.

Also as you can see by the multiple patches you’ve submitted there’s really no good answer for an external notifier, so whatever you pick is probably going to be wrong for someone I guess.

If this patch is going to be accepted I would ask that it

1) be conditional (disable-able with a variable)
2) do the check for the custom installed external notifier and if not present then fallback to using the emacs supplied notifications-notify
3) not restrict notifications-notify to gnu/linux only.

That way people that have already developed solutions for this won’t have them broken.


> On Jul 7, 2021, at 8:00 PM, stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Chris, thanks for your work. I have a question, will your patch of notification code be merged to upstream?
> If yes, I think my patch will be not necessary. If no, then I think add a my workaround for macOS is considerable.
>> On Jul 7, 2021, at 2:23 AM, Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org <mailto:chopps@chopps.org>> wrote:
>> It supports imagemagick (specify —with-imagemagick), and it includes svg by default, I simply forked the railwaycat version and added the native notification code.
>> Thanks,
>> Chris.
>>> On Jul 6, 2021, at 11:30 AM, stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com <mailto:numbchild@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Thanks for your suggestion. Does your Emacs build supports imagemagick image view and svg feature support? Because company-mode now have built-in icons support. This is the reason that I switch from https://emacsformacosx.com/ <https://emacsformacosx.com/> to Homebrew cask Emacs version.
>>>> On Jul 6, 2021, at 12:21 PM, Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org <mailto:chopps@chopps.org>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Please consider: I added full native notification support to the popular OS X Emacs build available in homebrew. This supports rewrites notifications-notify defun to use the native code rather than dbus, and so everything "Just Works".
>>>> Info can be found here:
>>>> https://github.com/choppsv1/homebrew-emacsmacport <https://github.com/choppsv1/homebrew-emacsmacport>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris.
>>>> stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com <mailto:numbchild@gmail.com>> writes:
>>>>> Here is the new patch which invokes notifications though Emacs built-in API `ns-do-applescript`.
>>>>> [2. text/x-patch; 0001-org-clock.el-Make-org-notify-support-macOS-notificat.patch]...
>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com <mailto:theophilusx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com <mailto:numbchild@gmail.com>> writes:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:55 PM, Maxim Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com <mailto:manikulin@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 05/07/2021 10:50, stardiviner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I updated the patch, I found the package `osx-lib` contains solution.
>>>>>>>>> So I removed the directly osascript process invocation.
>>>>>>>> I have no objections any more. On the other hand I have no access to macOS, so
>>>>>>>> I have not tested this patch. Feel free to ignore comments from this message,
>>>>>>>> they are mostly matter of taste.
>>>>>>>> I expect that a simple script "notify-send" may allow to avoid modification of
>>>>>>>> code. Something like (untested, unsure concerning "quoted form of ...")
>>>>>>>> #!/usr/bin/env osascript
>>>>>>>> display notification (item 1 of argv)
>>>>>>>> However if osx-lib in is installed automatically, it may be more convenient.
>>>>>>>> Unsure if some of currently supported linux distributions have notify-send
>>>>>>>> that can not handle title as the first argument.
>>>>>>>>> -	((fboundp 'notifications-notify)
>>>>>>>>> +	((and (eq system-type 'gnu/linux) (fboundp 'notifications-notify))
>>>>>>>> Does it mean that `notifications-notify' is bound but it does not work on
>>>>>>>> macOS? If so, maybe it is better to put new clause for 'darwin above and to
>>>>>>>> drop 'gnu/linux here. From my point of view, it is preferable to avoid
>>>>>>>> additional requirement for `notifications-notify'. If someone will create a
>>>>>>>> feature request for `notifications-notify' for macOS, it will just work
>>>>>>>> without installing of additional packages as soon as such feature is
>>>>>>>> implemented.
>>>>>>> I indeed tried `notifications-notify`. And it does not work, reports error that
>>>>>>> it needs dbus. PS. I used the Homebrew formulae version Emacs.
>>>>>>> I considered the order of conditions. Because notifications and notify-send etc
>>>>>>> requires dbus. So I guess only Linux supports that. So add system-type detection
>>>>>>> will be better. WDYT?
>>>>>> I think you can add dbus support to macOS using homebrew and that might
>>>>>> resolve the issue. At the very least, this will need to be investigated
>>>>>> because otherwise, adding this patch may break configurations for users
>>>>>> who have added dbus support via homebrew and have notifications working,
>>>>>> but have not installed the osx-lib package.
>>>>>> My only small concern with your proposed changes is that it will add a
>>>>>> dependency on a new package osx-lib, which I think is only available in
>>>>>> melpa. At the very least, this will need to be documented somewhere.
>>>>>> However, I'm not sure what the situation is wrt adding code which
>>>>>> depends on an external package which is not available in either elpa or
>>>>>> nongnuELPA? As org mode is a part of GNU Emacs, I suspect that any code
>>>>>> which 'encourages' the use of melpa packages will not be acceptable.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tim Cross

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-08  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-04  0:23 [PATCH] make org-notify support for macOS desktop notification stardiviner
2021-07-04  5:48 ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-07-05  3:50   ` stardiviner
2021-07-05 11:55     ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-07-05 22:36       ` stardiviner
2021-07-06  0:06         ` Tim Cross
2021-07-06  1:37           ` stardiviner
2021-07-06  8:12             ` Tim Cross
2021-07-06  1:45           ` [new patch] " stardiviner
2021-07-06  4:21             ` Christian Hopps
2021-07-06 15:30               ` [new patch] " stardiviner
2021-07-06 18:23                 ` Christian Hopps
2021-07-08  0:00                   ` stardiviner
2021-07-08  8:59                     ` Christian Hopps [this message]
2021-07-08  9:35                       ` STOP this patch for now stardiviner
2021-07-08 12:02                         ` Christian Hopps
2021-07-06 12:13             ` [PATCH] make org-notify support for macOS desktop notification Maxim Nikulin
2021-09-26  8:52             ` [new patch] " Bastien
2021-09-30 15:01               ` Max Nikulin

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