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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619523917; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=q5+F4IWp+rh+PhOnEYcRgXjcS3p4hkz4rvx7Uxrb+C4=; b=jp31bsY7i807msGGYCxdZJkJ6s+NFXn3ldb4GTQSoYC4Lp1UhpxNwTogRLSAzEjzWS99PF QzoV2BESi3RV8T2WrjjwWsT4d4Tz2AZccMOBVKWfE0JCvT/hhstzKLuHOJZahMrGHZuNaC KwRI7t3Oc7+T/Sa/37ZjA/4YXBWv2JRkoIMuSestoZui+yKV2F7y5fVmKFYnXkKFHeC55q b7m0/0L/6I7/+TA4oUCQxWytdOl1PoLe/H1BlWoVVfGZNV7IU6t4EaFyFddCyrXwPJOSA8 2IzVdm4f6T1ZViD9uPI/p1+yqSaOl3LGlcjjr6WGMdUga8mswjOu6hi/EzIHtQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619523917; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=E17YeNTT92qHxMOacispKgdX3CCIyB57GZ5B0u2SrkSkbhE/0RstVnrWZ6rAvIsOOTjP4P esjE1KItnrV5LgOllLqymDfgZimScAUQXD6R/y4+4B5FcGqhw75hDgk0YwndMsTHEgF4VB wigW10vlneCcRJb0YgM+XLNSTdU4BgG2n4XdjEK3e9AOc3hIexInf1nxVQFKMPxIqud6pK N5EdzKY09NzT4EiH199G0Eoj9pmq/ssXcyKx+AYPWqLpDFitU/ejwOXUG5j6PvZDHWevrB di+6q5i1cOhS7xgiU1i74litkv2ht4xhWV2IQCaEwKN2w81ICT8dytDxiVKfyg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=G7ARB7Ik; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=apxBi0bR; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=G7ARB7Ik; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=apxBi0bR; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 94B87263FB X-Spam-Score: -1.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 1tU+UFyh2T5t Am 27.04.2021 um 12:12 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 4:35 PM Denis Maier wrote: > >> Regarding the proposal: I think that could go in the right direction, >> but in the current form it has the downside that you can't use the >> prefix anymore, right? > > Not sure why you would need a prefix for this case, but org-cite has > two levels of affixes. So maybe: > > [cite/quote:Prefix ;quote @doe19] > >> What about keeping this separate, like so: >> >> [quote: A simple quote.][cite: @doe p. 45] >> >> But maybe even that is not necessary, and there might be simpler ways. > > Hmm .. org doesn't have an inline quote, I guess? Don't know. That was just a suggestion. Regarding simpler ways, why not just: "A simple quote." [cite: @doe p. 45] That way no information is lost, and you could just move around punctuation as appropriate. A distinct syntax might be more powerful, but also less readable. Denis