Bug: clock comments [9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @ c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)]

Bug: clock comments [9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @ c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)]

[Francis J. Monari, Esquire]

List:

Using:
Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32)
 of 2015-04-11 on LEG570
Package: Org mode version 9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @
c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)

Using Clock Mode to track time.
Org Mode starts and stops clock.  Clock entry redirected to CLOCK
drawer.
I expect to see the clock entry (time & note) appear in CLOCK drawer.
What happens is that clock time goes to CLOCK drawer, clock note goes to
LOGBOOK drawer.
This allocation does not make sense.  Time is properly tracked, but no
ability to identify activity.
org mode clock variables follow:
;;;Org clock settings
(add-hook 'org-clock-in-prepare-hook 'org-resolve-clocks)
(setq org-clock-history-length 32)
(setq org-clock-idle-time 20)
(setq org-clock-in-resume t)
(setq org-clock-into-drawer "CLOCK")
(setq org-clock-mode-line-total 'today)
(setq org-clock-rounding-minutes '(0 15))
(setq org-clock-sound t) ;can take file name
(setq org-clock-out-remove-zero-time-clocks nil)
(setq org-clock-out-when-done t)
(setq org-clock-persist t)
(setq org-clock-persist-query-resume t)
(org-clock-persistence-insinuate)

Any help appreciated.

Thank you

Frank.

Re: Bug: clock comments [9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @ c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)]

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

"Francis J. Monari, Esquire" <monarifj.esq@juno.com> writes:

> Using Clock Mode to track time.
> Org Mode starts and stops clock.  Clock entry redirected to CLOCK
> drawer.
> I expect to see the clock entry (time & note) appear in CLOCK drawer.
> What happens is that clock time goes to CLOCK drawer, clock note goes to
> LOGBOOK drawer.
> This allocation does not make sense.  Time is properly tracked, but no
> ability to identify activity.
> org mode clock variables follow:
> ;;;Org clock settings
> (add-hook 'org-clock-in-prepare-hook 'org-resolve-clocks)
> (setq org-clock-history-length 32)
> (setq org-clock-idle-time 20)
> (setq org-clock-in-resume t)
> (setq org-clock-into-drawer "CLOCK")

Why do you specify a different drawer name if you want notes and clocks
in the same one?

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Bug: clock comments [9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @ c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)] {response to question}

[Francis J. Monari, Esquire]

Thank you for the prompt response

I would like all "clock" entries - with associated notes - in the CLOCK
drawer.  With org version 9 time goes to the CLOCK drawer, note goes to
the LOGBOOK drawer.

I would like all other "logbook" entries - separate entries are possible
- in the LOGBOOK drawer.

Segregating the "clock" and "logbook" entries makes drawer easier to
read for my purposes.

In version 8 org behaved in this manner.

Is it possible to retain this behavior?

Regards,

Frank.

On 1/18/2017 4:39 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> "Francis J. Monari, Esquire" <monarifj.esq@juno.com> writes:
> 
>> Using Clock Mode to track time.
>> Org Mode starts and stops clock.  Clock entry redirected to CLOCK
>> drawer.
>> I expect to see the clock entry (time & note) appear in CLOCK drawer.
>> What happens is that clock time goes to CLOCK drawer, clock note goes to
>> LOGBOOK drawer.
>> This allocation does not make sense.  Time is properly tracked, but no
>> ability to identify activity.
>> org mode clock variables follow:
>> ;;;Org clock settings
>> (add-hook 'org-clock-in-prepare-hook 'org-resolve-clocks)
>> (setq org-clock-history-length 32)
>> (setq org-clock-idle-time 20)
>> (setq org-clock-in-resume t)
>> (setq org-clock-into-drawer "CLOCK")
> 
> Why do you specify a different drawer name if you want notes and clocks
> in the same one?
> 
> Regards,
> 

Bug: clock comments [9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @ c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)]

[Francis J. Monari, Esquire]

Nicolas,

I stepped away from this email thread for a while.  I apologize.

The last email in the chain follows:

The question remains "How can I make the notes associated with the Clock
entry follow the Clock entry?

Best regards,

Frank.


========
I would like all "clock" entries - with associated notes - in the CLOCK
drawer.  With org version 9 time goes to the CLOCK drawer, note goes to
the LOGBOOK drawer.

I would like all other "logbook" entries - separate entries are possible
- in the LOGBOOK drawer.

Segregating the "clock" and "logbook" entries makes drawer easier to
read for my purposes.

In version 8 org behaved in this manner.

Is it possible to retain this behavior?

Regards,

Frank.

On 1/18/2017 4:39 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> "Francis J. Monari, Esquire" <monarifj.esq@juno.com> writes:
> 
>> Using Clock Mode to track time.
>> Org Mode starts and stops clock.  Clock entry redirected to CLOCK
>> drawer.
>> I expect to see the clock entry (time & note) appear in CLOCK drawer.
>> What happens is that clock time goes to CLOCK drawer, clock note goes to
>> LOGBOOK drawer.
>> This allocation does not make sense.  Time is properly tracked, but no
>> ability to identify activity.
>> org mode clock variables follow:
>> ;;;Org clock settings
>> (add-hook 'org-clock-in-prepare-hook 'org-resolve-clocks)
>> (setq org-clock-history-length 32)
>> (setq org-clock-idle-time 20)
>> (setq org-clock-in-resume t)
>> (setq org-clock-into-drawer "CLOCK")
> 
> Why do you specify a different drawer name if you want notes and clocks
> in the same one?
> 
> Regards,
> 

Re: Bug: clock comments [9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @ c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)]

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

"Francis J. Monari, Esquire" <monarifj.esq@juno.com> writes:

> The question remains "How can I make the notes associated with the Clock
> entry follow the Clock entry?

Short answer : put everything in the same drawer, i.e., LOGBOOK.

Long answer :

I considered re-introducing the behaviour you suggest, but there is one
issue.

When `org-clock-into-drawer' is set to an integer, an the number of
clocks in the entry get past it, all pre-existing clocks are moved to
log drawer (by default "LOGBOOK"). Unfortunately, it is not possible to
preserve association between the note and the clock (i.e., the list item
after the clock may or may not be a note relative to the clock). So we
cannot guarantee that both the note and the clock are always kept
together.

Basically, the two features are incompatible.

I'm open to suggestions.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: Bug: clock comments [9.0.2 (9.0.2-elpaplus @ c:/USR/FJM/APP/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20161214/)]

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Correcting myself,

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> I considered re-introducing the behaviour you suggest, but there is one
> issue.
>
> When `org-clock-into-drawer' is set to an integer, an the number of
> clocks in the entry get past it, all pre-existing clocks are moved to
> log drawer (by default "LOGBOOK"). Unfortunately, it is not possible to
> preserve association between the note and the clock (i.e., the list item
> after the clock may or may not be a note relative to the clock). So we
> cannot guarantee that both the note and the clock are always kept
> together.
>
> Basically, the two features are incompatible.
>
> I'm open to suggestions.

Due to another bug report related to CLOCK lines, notes are again
attached to CLOCK lines, which should fix your initial report.

As another consequence, the issue above now belongs to the code base.

I'm still open to suggestions.

Regards,