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It was the first time this >> ever happened to me. I did try to explicitly enter the variable's >> name by entering 'org-goto', which (like 'org-go') is not >> enough: it is completed to 'org--goto'. > > AFAICT this is a missing feature: we obey `help-enable-autoload` in > `describe-function` but we fail to do the same autoloading dance in > `describe-variable`. I think, the difference is interactive vs. non-interactive calls rather than `describe-function' vs. `describe-variable'. What misses this feature is `customize-variable'. Completion failure for "org-to" happened because result of `register-definition-prefixes' calls is not considered as options. I am aware that it may give false positives, but I still believe they should be added. Though I believe that org mixed version issue happens due to transitional dependency of some third party package on org or something like (require 'org-protocol) that can not be loaded on demand.