From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Re: Remember and then refile Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:00:40 +0100 Message-ID: <3AF4BF3B-1388-4582-BA50-6614C8846D4A@science.uva.nl> References: <2f1c7d020801070805u5c3f9567uc957c745bbe2e5b3@mail.gmail.com> <2420B6DC-17A1-4E9D-AC75-3F85D31C78F2@science.uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1551488503==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JLy9M-0005h9-8F for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:02:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JLy9G-0005cX-Hi for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:02:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JLy9G-0005cJ-2s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:01:58 -0500 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JLy9E-0008Lp-1A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:01:57 -0500 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so2166813fga.30 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:00:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Steven Lumos Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1551488503== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-473741091 --Apple-Mail-1-473741091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:21 AM, Steven Lumos wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: >> >>> Carsten Dominik writes: >>>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, Steven Lumos wrote: >>>> >>>>> Carsten Dominik writes: >>>>>> This will be in 5.19. Thanks for the proposal!. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Carsten >>>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> Have you considered somehow merging the tree selection and >>>>> minibuffer >>>>> with completion methods so that both are available simultaneously? >>>> >>>> Could you please be more specific? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> - Carsten >>> >>> Maybe. :-) >>> >>> Currently, C-u C-c C-c in remember uses this "Select a destination >>> location for the note" mode where you navigate the org tree in the >>> usual way and then RET to select a headline. >>> >>> On the other hand, org-refile uses the minibuffer and you type a >>> headline, with completion and history. >>> >>> So recently I've been thinking it should be possible (though only >>> arguably desirable) to allow both of these modes to be active at >>> once, >>> so movement commands would navigate the tree and typing commands >>> would >>> append to the minibuffer. >>> >>> There are key conflicts that need to be worked out, but I think it >>> could be done. For one example, TAB could do completion if there is >>> text in the minibuffer, and tree navigation otherwise. >> >> Hmm, this sound like over-complx to me. I would use the interface >> that makes sense most of the time and then move by hand in the >> remaining cases. Or do you think tat the interface you want >> is dependent on the template you are using? >> >> - Carsten > > That could be. I'm still very much figuring out what the interface > between my brain and org looks like, and not currently using any of > the established planning styles. I've only been using the agenda for > about half as long as I've been using org for example. > >> From my perspective, I saw two methods to do exactly the same >> thing(*), > which led to thinking about the advantages of each, which led to > thinking why not just merge them and have the advantages of both. yes, they do the exact same thing in the way that they achieve the same, but in different ways. However, what you ask for is difficult to program and also (IMO) confusing. I am dropping it for now. If you want to switch between the two interfaces, just define a command that toggles the corresponding variable. Then you can switch just before finishing remember with C-c C-c. - Carsten --Apple-Mail-1-473741091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Feb 1, 2008, = at 12:21 AM, Steven Lumos wrote:

Carsten = Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> = writes:

On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:19 PM, = Steven Lumos wrote:

Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> = writes:
On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM, = Steven Lumos = wrote:

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>= ; = writes:
This = will be in 5.19.  Thanks for the = proposal!.

- = Carsten

Hi.
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">

Have you considered somehow = merging the tree selection = and
minibuffer
with completion methods so that = both are available = simultaneously?

Could = you please be more = specific?

Thanks.

- = Carsten

Maybe. = :-)

Currently, C-u C-c C-c in = remember uses this "Select a = destination
location for the note" mode = where you navigate the org tree in = the
usual way and then RET to select a = headline.

On the other hand, org-refile = uses the minibuffer and you type = a
headline, with completion and = history.

So recently I've been thinking = it should be possible (though = only
arguably desirable) to allow both of these modes to be = active at once,
so movement commands would = navigate the tree and typing commands = would
append to the = minibuffer.

There are key conflicts that = need to be worked out, but I think = it
could be done.  For one example, TAB could do = completion if there is
text in the minibuffer, and tree = navigation otherwise.

Hmm, this sound = like over-complx to me.  I would use the = interface
that makes sense = most of the time and then move by hand in = the
remaining cases.  Or = do you think tat the interface you want
is dependent on the template you are = using?

- = Carsten

That could be.  I'm still very much = figuring out what the interface
between my brain and org looks like, = and not currently using any of
the established planning styles. =  I've only been using the agenda for
about half as long as I've = been using org for example.

=46rom my = perspective, I saw two methods to do exactly the same = thing(*),
which led to thinking about the advantages of = each, which led to
thinking why not just merge them and have the = advantages of both.

yes, they do the exact = same thing in the way that they achieve the same, but
in = different ways.  However, what you ask for is difficult to program = and
also (IMO) confusing.  I am dropping it for now. =  If you want to switch
between the two interfaces, just = define a command that toggles the
corresponding variable. =  Then you can switch just before finishing remember
with = C-c C-c.

- Carsten
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