From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: AW Subject: Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:03:04 +0100 Message-ID: <3218070.pjCsgHoKln@linux-izun> References: <87pnebf2ku.fsf@gnu.org> <87k14i7r0s.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35443) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j4P2q-0001hB-8N for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:05:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j4P2o-0007a1-W7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:05:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87k14i7r0s.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Bastien , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nicolas Goaziou Am Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2020, 12:30:59 CET schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: > Hello, > > Bastien writes: > > - Add org-tempo to org-modules > > > > Last but not least: we had long discussions about this one in the > > past. Expansion of the " > the beginning of the line has been turned off. I have IRL met with > > Org users* who just thought the feature was broken/deleted, without > > having/taking the time/knowledge/guts to look for the things they > > can turn on. I am all for turning this on again, letting experts > > disabling the feature if they don't want it. > > > > * We have regular meetings with https://www.emacs-doctor.com/ > > This is not a good default, at least for beginners, because Org provides > a better solution out of the box. There are also better solutions > outside Org (e.g., Yasnippet). > > It is only valuable for existing users, who relied on this feature, and > don't want to switch. It's perfectly understandable, but it is also fair > to assume they can add (require 'org-module) to their own configuration. > _Removing_ the module, OTOH, is subtle. > > By the way, this does not belong to the same category as other > defcustoms discussed. This is only tangential to "how does Org should > look and feel by default". It relates to: should Org provide multiple > snippet extensions, knowing this is not a central feature, and Org is > often seen as bloated by Emacs devs? I don't think so, no matter how > useful this feature can be for some users. > > Regards, Hello, what Bastien suggests, doesn't that lead to two ways of getting getting e.g. a quote? Either with C-c C-, or again with "