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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.77 X-Spam-Score: -1.77 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 83BE645A65 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: hUnHn+KDBF+0 Thanks! > We aim to reduce config-dependent Org syntax in the long term. Thats wonderful news! Sometimes this stuff can really surprise you. For example, the structure of the document created by running `echo "1. foo\n 1.bar\n 1.baz\n\t1.lorem"` changes based on the user's **tab-width**!! If tab-width is less than 8 then this is: ```text 1. foo 1. bar 1. baz 2. lorem ``` If tab-width is 8 then this is: ```text 1. foo 1. bar 1. baz 2. lorem ``` and if tab-width is greater than 8 this is: ```text 1. foo 1. bar 1. baz 1. lorem ``` Absolute madness! I always considered tab-width to be a personal aesthetic choice and not something that would functionally change how documents other people wrote will be parsed. Idk if its been discussed, but personally if I were given dictatorship over org-mode I would take all of these emacs variables that are defined outside of the document, and instead of having them influence org-mode directly, I would *only* use them to pre-populate values for in-buffer settings templates. For example, if a user had set `org-odd-levels-only` then I wouldn't have that impact ANY existing document they open, but if they open a new document then I would have it auto-insert `#+STARTUP: odd` at the top of the fresh document. Otherwise it seems like org-mode is unsuitable for multi-person collaboration without dictating the contents of everyone's `.emacs` file. -- Tom Alexander pgp: https://fizz.buzz/pgp.asc