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The tables are same > for Org >= 9.5 and for Org < 9.5 (modulo bugs in indentation fixed in > 9.4.6). Only default configuration evolves in time. again, i apologize. my confusion was in not having read the text to understand that the "(Org >= 9.5)" was the default. i assumed it meant, "this is the behavior for Org >= 9.5", even though that meant the tables really didn't make sense. if you wanted to compensate for such a "user feature" :), maybe remove "(Org >= 9.5)", and add that information as a short "NB:" line after each table? > Not being a native speaker, I would either leave it as is or would change > all 3 phrases attempting to make their style more uniform. > > a. "do not indent anything", > "always indent relatively to the element above", > "indent just ~PROPERTIES/LOGBOOK~ drawers relatively > to the current heading level" > > b. "no special indentation", > "indentation of all elements is relative to the element above", > "only ~PROPERTIES/LOGBOOK~ drawers get indentation relative > to the current heading level" > sorry, i should have caught *both* "relatively". i'd suggest > a. "do not indent anything", > "always indent relative to the element above", > "indent just ~PROPERTIES/LOGBOOK~ drawers relative > to the current heading level" which klings better to my ears. (sadly, i can't explain any grammatical reason why, though.) cheers, Greg