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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621267567; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=60r6LyALcV1Jdn1F5BfYp2WRrbBjP4EQgE4j6ltQDlc=; b=lPPuGYTyO8fkJGfmGl8HUGNFx3mfrihOFPq6Rio9hDJzxmLPhF9Dc2UwMMh+A7lbqhIdb4 h4XcbGWSgbFX4aSCoqvmfIf5PjS0nn/9BWzqdo8r/g8WispdVoSVW96NIgziTgA0e3JlqO ZCEFGkkqKJ03Yy81S1jBxPKwQbNnwmXmP6RmC5tjR1bR80Q7s2dgF558RJtMyc7gjrNk3c Zp6Ll67hF3uEX76puJV+NEwn2q7+pSGjAW6TqN6ztpQ3j6oy8ezLcqeuwrgZWzarGMqMpw ptQnKEkiW7EpB5JxG/d12/71ZS6Nfr4F9htwQnUkubMvJ7dYaTjG8jL3bOlpkg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621267567; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LSH7CvyFywQ6Y7tGQRqYGQvVZlb5e+awARZSdKqJRtgMJZywxINVe+mMpLabcfOJKG6gzC ADnBI3euJe35yW66vYzT450SMe53JIEiOamVrNAwFnblvytI0TAbYuBTMdimDW67NSIEma IOPLkpBooYmzh7KGPUqETjmIEROri84QRPgB0Bg/O7v/j4JfZT+uVkQdq/pYnXR3dFDvdu oS5e+DJFdm1HLawMQVSd5xQZKDz9nF2h3+eNe0iR8CrlyHjwg9fRBoghhnxJHlVp7Ai5fH wJlKERBrt5SiCFWwkZ5xDLYjm+SdZD+yGYmeOk8esnwryOf3GxLQLAVdTRtfZg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=Vp03D7yb; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=tfWXO6Ad; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=Vp03D7yb; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=tfWXO6Ad; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B6C0825E3A X-Spam-Score: -1.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: o4sqAkBvaY5G Am 17.05.2021 um 17:41 schrieb Juan Manuel Macías: > Hi all, > > I would like to start a thread on this question, leaving some basic ideas and > sketches of my own, in case someone else wanted to join the discussion. > > I think it would be nice if Org Mode offered consistent support (out of > the box) for multilingual documents. That is, those documents where > there is a main language and it is possible to toggle between a list of > others 'secondary' languages, in the LaTeX Babel way. Those documents > could be consistently exported to other formats with multilingual > support: LaTeX, of course, but also html, odt, etc. > > What is your opinion? > > I think Org documents should have three levels in multilingual management: > > - Short text segments, something like an 'inline block' for other languages > - Blocks > - Sections > > For short inline segments, IMHO and without the need to innovate, I > think an excellent candidate are the links defined with > org-link-set-parameters. For example: > > Lorem ipsum [[lang:de][some text in German]] dolor sit amet > > (For structures of this kind I found very interesting ideas here: > https://github.com/alhassy/org-special-block-extras) > > As for blocks, I think of a hypothetical 'lang' block: > > #+begin_lang el :variant polytonic > Some text in polytonic Greek... > #+end_lang > > However, in a previous thread > (https://orgmode.org/list/87k0og8fss.fsf@list.aleks.bg/) Aleksandar > Dimitrov proposed an idea that seemed very suggestive, at least in > concept: add a ':lang' argument to the Org code blocks: > > #+begin_src org :lang fr > Some text in french > #+end_src Why not add a :lang property to other blocks as well? #+begin_quote :lang en this is english. #+end_quote WDYT? Denis