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[5.44.169.188]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d24sm1801950ljj.8.2021.09.20.07.54.32 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH] ox.el: add smart quotes for Greek To: orgmode References: <87bl4omst8.fsf@posteo.net> From: Max Nikulin Message-ID: <279c8d6d-ebcf-2149-416d-c75bdf227f05@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:54:32 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87bl4omst8.fsf@posteo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::130; envelope-from=manikulin@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x130.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=c3=adas?= Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1632151379; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=QVvxCl7Hyie/xuyGlkILesZJ4M4guai6+dwmvBz0dZU=; b=Ogb0xVQHf3oNs1MiGIjWcCmZ61qsG3ZPB8sHfkqtuoL6q28p3S73h/92RSUaNyozeGu+FT ihzKUQ6n5HB2S0Ir9LV18uqWPMLvM6hTs71uJ6wmj5aR8/zblhCR5OJd5kY3jzY5W2gKvJ 32/E5XWb+KENxb6xlKPEJ4qe8rwiYQnYPKFV7xprOwbWEFtTUZUjn/rJRWTHJ/JQptiAlb 0JEl6aQ5jnAu5rbPASBZDBaswkLcToNes6LEhccuc+UvWvLZQvEBO9UjnaaoL0NVWhTQUC kre9jeTbGB9p4jr/fdEPEv6lTkicFlSaIQ9bmevZi+jJv0y+nDGrcqabXAncvA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1632151379; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GUWHH0QCSDCuaiqWYlgJaAaKsb1Ti/YzXtwuqpVxZJoZJOSZJ39s+4SPBO+0a+GBsb5cd0 J1kXcE52H4PnZqMdv6jGtnhV14x+7nkvWs2XS+UNz/ncN2eXTRu/YUEJvneYXjtq+dZirZ 1tiigUz1Wu7LLTKwoYDcKoSjOmxZAnX32A0nhpSOVh6a2I7QJLmOXhY9vIaL1okEJbOZg+ twwjwgzsidMSPMGN5lAprQKt+KsQN39W6MsS9Q6gGY37vpioOjoDka8Ll99iwy7JTRuBAo 8xqyYuzKUUZouvsB0wexeTmjQVZ7zIx8DoAhuDfgIa4Wf1fp8fu7jG76cQFjeA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=FGf1pPEN; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.29 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=FGf1pPEN; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B22DB4F70 X-Spam-Score: -1.29 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: GEMUWZyfhe0x On 19/09/2021 23:30, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > > I attach here a tiny patch to add Greek smart quotes. Finally, I apply > the second level quotation marks that Protesilaos Stavrou proposed in this > previous thread: > https://orgmode.org/list/87o89yv1mz.fsf@cnu407c2zx.nsn-intra.net/#r Since the choice of secondary opening quote character was uncertain at first, I suppose, it would be nice to have this decision documented somewhere in Org source repository for the case that it might be revisited later. (Disclaimer: unsure that Org developers have the same opinion.) I mean the citation and the reference to the paper by Yannis Haralambous to make clear that such variant was considered, the title of EU recommendations since nobody has provided more authoritative reference of Greek typography traditions. Possible options: - Add the note directly to the .el file. I am afraid, as inline comment it could be considered too long. - To a file in the "doc" directory dedicated to such decisions (there is no such file yet however) with a reference from the .el file. - Commit message. It is acceptable but not apparent for a person who reads the code that git log may provide detailed explanation of particular choice. Mail archives are not permanent, e.g. web interface to Gmane was shut down due to some problems, the same might happen with public inbox mirrors. That is why, I think, a more detailed note should be added to Org sources. By the way, Common Locale Data Repository https://cldr.unicode.org/ defines U+201C (“) and U+201D (”) characters as well ag quotation common/main/el* common/main/el.xml 1224: « 1225: » 1226: “ 1227: ” Unfortunately this part of Unicode databases is not available form Emacs.