From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ivan Andrus Subject: Re: The statement on what is orgmode. Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:46:27 +0100 Message-ID: <272ABB5B-0C0A-412D-B3D6-C51810C28EDE@gmail.com> References: <20121205222817.GA1243@panahar> <87hao06km3.fsf@pank.eu> <20121206032633.GA12314@panahar> <20121206230457.GA19292@panahar> <874njy93eh.fsf@gmail.com> <20121207010052.GB24269@panahar> <86sj7itfed.fsf@davidrogersmusic.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45965) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Th3sP-0000ez-D5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:46:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Th3sM-0007dH-T6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:46:25 -0500 Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com ([74.125.83.41]:46523) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Th3sM-0007d3-Hr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:46:22 -0500 Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id d41so568565eek.0 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:46:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <86sj7itfed.fsf@davidrogersmusic.ca> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: David Rogers Cc: emacs-orgmode On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:50 AM, David Rogers = wrote: > brian powell writes: >=20 >> So, again, seriously, this thread is misnamed. "What can't you do in >> Emacs/OrgMode?" What can't it be used for?--this should be the = thread! >>=20 >> I'd really like to know. Every week or two, something comes off my = very >> tiny list, which is just about empty. >=20 > Seriously seriously? >=20 > Things you can't do in Emacs that feel as if they *should* be = practical, > even though they currently are not >=20 > - Web browsing with ease, and with a full list of currently-expected > features (i.e. features to make the general public say "Wow! This is > much better than Firefox! I'm switching to this for banking, and for > everything else as well!" - not "Umm, why does it look like > this?"). This single (admittedly huge) feature, probably along with > the next one, are IMO the "killer features" that Emacs does not have. Well, "with ease" is the problem there, eh? I think that's the problem = with most of the rest of these as well. I think the problem is someone = thinks, "Hey, X would be cool in Emacs" and so they start implementing = it. But then it's not as cool as they thought and since it _really_ = hard to compete with some of the existing software that does X, they = give up and the result is that it "barely works". I have included = some links below as evidence. I have no affiliation with any of them = (even as user) so I cannot say whether they work or don't or how well, = etc. This list is intended for entertainment purposes only, comes with = no warranty expressed or implied=85 It just amazes me the things that = people are willing to try to implement in Emacs. > - Ability to continue working in other buffers when one buffer is > busy. Combine this feature and the one mentioned above, and I = (perhaps > along with a lot of other people) move from two primary every-day > applications down to one. I agree, this would be very nice. > - WYSIWYG word processing with multiple fonts per page, adjustable > margins, and named styles (not saying it should ever be implemented, > just saying it's something Emacs can't currently be used for) =20 Well, there is enriched-mode. I did use this once briefly. > And how about fantasy-but-would-be-really-useful features? Nearly = unlimited. >=20 > - Fully-functioning, practical Org-mode & Gnus & Emacs on a touch = screen Would Emacs be Emacs without 5 modifier keys? > - Optical character recognition within Emacs http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/info/emacspeak_002docr.html > - Text entry by voice (including programming languages) within Emacs http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SpeechToText > - Hand-written text entry directly into Emacs, including filling in = web forms Maybe if you speak Chinese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhC6l8gDaYzQ > And then comes the truly unlimited category of "What, are you = crazy???" Yes, Emacs users are crazy! > - Emacs Movie Editor Maybe you haven't heard of https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gneve/ ? = I was originally going to just reply with just this link, but then I = did some searching and found the rest. > - Emacs Music Recording Studio Not a studio, but maybe a step in the right direction: = http://emacswiki.org/emacs/erec.el > - Emacs Audio-To-Text Song Lyrics Transcriber This one seems very hard, and in fact I could not find anyone who has = tried. > - "SkypEmacs" simultaneous videoconferencing and collaborative text > editing, where the participants all type into the same document at > once, but also their entire voice conversation is automatically > transcribed to plain text, and that transcription saved in the same > directory as the document. I think this is probably only chat, but there is = https://github.com/buzztaiki/emacs-skype > (i.e. things that prove "It isn't all text after all, but some of it = is".) :-) -Ivan=