From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pete Phillips Subject: Re: Re: my GTD setup Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:38:50 +0000 Message-ID: <24541.1198449530@localhost> References: <20071221.230243.10858071.dto@pod.lab> <874pe9r71r.fsf@kanis.fr> Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J6ZTG-0003gP-IS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:38:58 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J6ZTG-0003db-0n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:38:58 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J6ZTF-0003cT-HX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:38:57 -0500 Received: from mailhost.smtl.co.uk ([193.131.77.174]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J6ZTE-0003tX-TP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:38:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.smtl.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D0F6A467 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailhost.smtl.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ktinga.smtl.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23968-08 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:38:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lap1.smtl.co.uk (phillips22.free-online.co.uk [84.92.108.4]) by mailhost.smtl.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1800507AD for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:38:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lap1.smtl.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCA21C15C for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:38:50 +0000 (GMT) In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>>> "Rustom" == Rustom Mody writes: Rustom> Well... This saw cuts both ways. My own position is the Rustom> opposite of David's. Ive read the book (and the next one: Rustom> Ready for Anything) and I keep reading this list in the hope Rustom> that GTD will magically happen to me. Hmmm. I can *almost* guarantee it won't happen magically. :-) Let's make one thing clear - GTD is not difficult to understand. GTD is really a combination of techniques and habits to make sure you write everything down, review it regularly, and make sure you have the appropriate lists with you when you can actually do something on them, and then DO THEM. Let me repeat that last bit - you must, at some stage, DO THE ACTIONS! If you don't, GTD and org-mode and everything else just becomes an exercise in moving things from one list to another, and frankly there are better and more entertaining ways to waste your time. GTD it is a technique for doing your thinking in advance (at the weekly review), so that when you actually get into work you can just concentrate on 'cranking out the widgets'. David Allen uses the analogy that a widget cranker doesn't go into work and procrastinate or worry about what to do - he just has widgets to crank. Therefore the idea of GTD is that once a week you do your thinking and planning, and the rest of the week, you look at your list and crank widgets. (a bit of an over-simplification of course as you have emails, letters etc coming in constantly which may change your priorities). In my experience, implementing GTD is an initially rapid change in the way you work (implementing your main lists, sorting out a capture system, buying a labeller, setting up your 48 folders, trying to remember to do a weekly review) followed by much slower incremental improvements to the system as you 'get' GTD. And I certainly think that you won't do it without reading the book. Everything you need to understand the principles are in the book. Yes, some of the mailing lists are interesting (the GTD one on yahoo is pretty good), but frankly the book is all you need. Very difficult to implement GTD by looking at websites IMHO. (One reason people try out GTD is because they want to get more work done, because they feel they are drowning in a sea of information, emails, projects etc, and want to get it all under control. It is therefore an exquisite irony that some of these people then spend half their time surfing the net to try to find out how to do GTD better!) Now, implementing GTD in your tool of choice (mine is org-mode) is a different matter - there is more than one way to skin a cat, and org-mode gives you a huge choice in how you de-fur your particular feline. So, don't confuse *understanding* what GTD is all about with the specifics of *implementing* it in org-mode, Outlook, HPDA or whatever. The mailing lists are great for the implementation phase, but until you grasp GTD it probably won't happen for you. The book is very readable. You can read it over a few days. In my opinion, it also bears re-reading. I also bought the set of CD's (which is a recording of David Allen giving his GTD seminar over 2 days) and I listen to those once a year or so just to refresh things in my mind whilst travelling on the train. I pick up new insights and tricks every time I read the book or listen to the CDs. I haven't found the second book to be very helpful. Interesting, yes. Rustom> But not quite there yet :-( Use the book, Luke..... Rustom> In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even Rustom> made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how Rustom> to sync it with my stuff under org. I use a HPDA - I tend to sit down every Sunday and add stuff from the HPDA to my org-mode file, then chuck the cards away. I also have 14 'diary' cards - 1 card per day for the next 2 weeks, with my appointments on them, and anything I *have* to do that day (eg: deadline for sending off a report) on them. I use this Sunday morning time over a cup of coffee to add such deadlines to the cards, and then review the next 2-4 weeks to see what projects I need to make progress on. I then use org-mode to 'schedule' some of these NEXT actions which are, at the time, important. I used to print out HPDA cards with my different contexts on them (Shopping, Phone, Home, etc) but I found i rarely read them - I am more likely to scan my lists under org-mode as I have a laptop available all the time at home and in work, with emacs open. My advice would be to keep trying new ways to manage your lists. If you find syncing between HPDA and org-mode is too much hassle, you just won't bother, and you will eventually get cheesed off with it as it becomes unmaintainable. If it's not working for you, try another method. For me, HPDA is great as a capture tool and diary tool. plenty of people on GTD-Analog on yahoo use HPDA as their only tool. Horses for courses. Overall, I find I use the HPDA less and less, and rely on having org-mode available on my laptop most of the time. Org-mode is what has really enabled me to get GTD working for me better than any other tool. Pete