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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 42E719404FD X-Spam-Score: -0.81 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ehDqvpCYgjwp On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:37:09PM +0800, TEC wrote: > Hi Russel, while I appreciate the significance of Worg, I currently > don't feel that adding it to the header improves the site. > > There are two concerns I have on this. > > 1. I'm very wary of "header creep", see https://0x0.st/iFS7.png for a > mock up of an "extreme" example. > IMO the current state is "bulging", with 4-6 items as the ideal. > Adding Worg would take us to 8. In addition to the increased number > of visual elements, it also lessens the individual significance of > the per-existing items. If a "features" item has 3 other items, it is > much more emphasised than when it has 7 other items. > > This is just a long winded way of me expressing the view that adding > to the header affects the perception of the rest of the header, and > thus the overall effect may be negative, as I suspect it would be in > this case. One could argue that "Releases", "Updates", and "Install" should be merged into a common download link. They all are the same thing. ;] I completely agree with you that not everything can live in the header. However Worg is a key component because it's community maintained documentation. Not just anyone can upload to the main site, but Worg is as "wiki" as we have. As an integral part of the community supported documentation I thought it should be in the header. 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