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X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-TUID: 9PvtykVL11SL On Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 02:56:58PM +0000, Eric S Fraga wrote: > (as an aside, Emacs as an LSP could be interesting, especially if > network based) #+BEGIN_RANT LSP is a standard from Microsoft: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/ It allows networked JSON and telemetry, as well as all the other problems that come from trusting the remote server: https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-current/#telemetry_event Either of these items would provide justification for me to exclude LSP from any personal consideration, and for me to strongly recommend against it's use in any capacity. Microsoft and related technologies have no place in my Emacs. I don't care to see Org made easy or functional in Visual Studio. Why contribute to layers which allow an illegal monopoly more market share? Why code for them for free? #+END_RANT On a milder tone, I think it's silly to send JSON packets every time I type a key, even to a local service. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3