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X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.99 X-TUID: aSqVqI6zMqaN TEC, If you want instant feedback you might consider showing off on IRC (irc.freenode.net #org-mode). On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:19:28PM +0800, TEC wrote: > Thanks for giving me your thoughts on the idea :) > Your responses have lead me to think that this may lead somewhere. > > Russell Adams writes: > > > My feedback is that personally I don't care about trendy web > > pages. I agree with you that adding JS to simple pages makes > > them horrible. > > Oh absolutely. I don't want any of those JS-laden pages which load > with: > "We're sorry but this doesn't work properly without JavaScript > enabled. Please enable it to continue." > Urgh. No thanks. > > For org, a simple static page of HTML + CSS seems perfect, with > perhaps the odd feature using JS - like copy code block buttons. > > > I would suggest though if you can use an Org-based html theme to > > improve the site, that might be useful. It's always nice to be > > able to self-create instead of using other tools. > > That would be ideal IMO. I'll see if I run into issues with an > org-export based site. > > > I recently tried a read-the-docs theme exported from Org and > > found it very nice, and nearly zero difficulty to integrate. > > That surprised me. > > > If you want another example, check out my config ;) --- > https://tecosaur.github.io/emacs-config/config.html > It's less light weight than what I'm conceptualising, but it's > just produced by org-html-export-to-html ... with a few tweaks > (ok, a lot). > > > > Getting an Org site theme into core that'd do that, and make the > > website export from that template could be a good idea. Or if > > it's already done (I beg ignorance), perhaps updating that > > template could be a good use of your time? > > I think this is what I'll look into first (pending Bastien's > response, of course). > > Amin Bandali writes: > > > Hello, > Hi :) > > > While we wait for Bastien and others to chime in, per your > > question in your original proposal email, if you have not seen > > it already, the repository containing the sources for the > > current Org website seems to be at > > . > > I wasn't aware of that! Thank you very much for bringing it to my > attention. > > > If you have some time, perhaps consider making a quick demo of > > one revamped page, to give folks an idea of what sort of changes > > you imagine? > > I may just have a go at whipping up a 'revamped' index page, I'll > let you all know how that goes. > > > I think the overall design of the Org website is fine, but it > > could use well-thought out enhancements to make browsing around > > and discovering things easier. That said, I personally wouldn't > > be opposed to a bit of a revamp, if the site continues to work > > well without JS and continue to be accessible in text-based > > browsers (like EWW and Lynx). > > As I said earlier, I see no reason for the Org site to be much > more than a simple static page ... just in need of a bit of > massaging into a more aesthetically pleasing shape. > > ----- > > While this may seem like a relatively minor pursuit in the scheme > of things, it is (or at least was in my case) the landing page for > the feature that can draw one into Emacs. > > For the sake of curious individuals who aren't sure what to > expect, I think it's worth some effort to make their first > impression lean more towards "Org is a novel and exciting format, > ahead of it's time" than "Org is some old and crufty format that > hasn't received much love" :P > > While obviously that goes far beyond the styling of orgmode.org, I > do honestly think that it plays a part. > > All the best, > > Timothy. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3