From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Roland Everaert Subject: Multi-layer ergonomic keyboard and org-mode Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:33:20 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114b45d21990f5055c718af3" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7gPg-0000Sr-7Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:33:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7gPb-0000WI-Ch for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:33:28 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]:56024) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7gPb-0000VS-5q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:33:23 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id y83so2369375wmc.4 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 04:33:22 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode --001a114b45d21990f5055c718af3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I am considering buying this quite expensive ergonomic keyboard. https://ergodox-ez.com/ This device can manage up to 32 layers and I wonder how a regular emacs and org-mode user would organize the layers. This organization depends on your workflow, but their is surely some standard key arrangement to improve our typing with our favorite editor an module. Regards, Roland. --001a114b45d21990f5055c718af3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I am considering= buying this quite expensive ergonomic keyboard.

https://ergodox-ez.com/

This device can m= anage up to 32 layers and I wonder how a regular emacs and org-mode user wo= uld organize the layers.

This organization depends on your wor= kflow, but their is surely some standard key arrangement to improve our typ= ing with our favorite editor an module.


Regards,

Roland.
--001a114b45d21990f5055c718af3-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Russell Adams Subject: Re: Multi-layer ergonomic keyboard and org-mode Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:27:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20171026182710.GO7207@volibear> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38276) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7msR-0006uf-18 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:27:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7msN-0002Li-TK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:27:35 -0400 Received: from caracal.ash.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.222.30]:47130) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7msN-0002AD-7f for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:27:31 -0400 Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D080A7CA5DF for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kefka.asoshared.com (unknown [100.96.126.244]) (Authenticated sender: asmallorange) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5936C7CA5A3 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dhcp-077-248-042-162.chello.nl ([77.248.42.162]:24071 helo=localhost) by kefka.asoshared.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e7ms4-000jLi-73 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:27:12 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 01:33:20PM +0200, Roland Everaert wrote: > Hi, > > I am considering buying this quite expensive ergonomic keyboard. > > https://ergodox-ez.com/ > > This device can manage up to 32 layers and I wonder how a regular emacs and > org-mode user would organize the layers. > > This organization depends on your workflow, but their is surely some standard > key arrangement to improve our typing with our favorite editor an module. Let me share my experience with you regarding Ergodox. It's incredibly cool! To be able to create your own programmable keyboard is awesome. I built one with a custom case and mechanical switches, and it's great. Custom key layouts in the firmware are awesome! Until I discovered my hands don't fit it. I don't regret building it, but I can't use my lovely device I spent quite a bit to make. Learn from my experience and test one hands on first. On that note, I've been using a Kinesis Freestyle with a long binding cable for many years, and they just released a mechanical switch version (Freestyle Edge? It's gaming branded) that also includes updates like layers. It's perfect and exactly what I wanted. Perhaps you should consider one of them. I'm very impressed with it. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Grant Rettke Subject: Re: Multi-layer ergonomic keyboard and org-mode Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:37:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57651) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7riN-0005TZ-NW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 19:37:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7riM-0002Jg-Vs for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 19:37:31 -0400 Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]:55746) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7riM-0002Hv-Mf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 19:37:30 -0400 Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id p184so5487163lfe.12 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:37:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Roland Everaert Cc: emacs-orgmode On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Roland Everaert wrote: > This organization depends on your workflow, but their is surely some standard key arrangement to improve our typing with our favorite editor an module. A keyboard like that easily provides more keybinding "namespaces", for keys where c=control, m=meta, s=super, h=hyper. For one you get a hyper key. So you go from 6 namespaces (c, m, s, cm, cs, ms) to 24 (if you are willing to use all of the combinations). You can easily configure a single key to be any of those 24 combinations so you don't need to worry about finger strain. For example you can have a single key that is C-M-s-H. That namespace is wide open. You can also add Shift to double things. Another valuable feature is the ability to configure a key for "strike" versus "hold". For example strike the enter key and send enter. Hold the enter key and make it the Control modifier. Configuring the keyboard can become a hobby in itself.