From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Suvayu Ali Subject: Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:41:17 +0200 Message-ID: <20130404174117.GB11897@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> References: <87vc82r6fc.fsf@krugs.de> <87k3oir2a3.fsf@krugs.de> <86r4iqbjod.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47040) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoA9-0006vi-6A for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:41:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoA7-0004qZ-Nm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:41:25 -0400 Received: from mail-ea0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c01::229]:61971) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoA7-0004qD-HM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:41:23 -0400 Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id n15so1135293ead.0 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86r4iqbjod.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 07:48:50AM -0400, François Pinard wrote: > If I write "sad to say", this is because Gnus coupled me more intimately > with Emacs, while I tried hard to run away of it, to recover some sanity. [...] > In the meantime, despite I found some MUAs quite impressive, I knew deep > down that none really match Gnus. For me it is the other way around. I want to couple with Emacs more closely, but Gnus prevents me from doing so. A few gripes follow. 1. Emacs is single threaded, so a network interruption while reading my email over IMAP means my emacs server is stuck! 2. Oh that's easy to solve, use maildirs (sync with OfflineIMAP). That does not work well because Gnus uses its own flags (an example where Gnus actually breaks standards)! There are some hacks around that out in the wild, so let's let it slide. 3. Gnus stores some meta information/cache for maildirs in a .nnmaildir folder *inside* the maildir directory tree! maildir ├── .nnmaildir ├── cur ├── new └── tmp I do not know how, but this supposed meta information or cache takes about 2/3 of disk space as the original maildir! Obviously that is a problem for large mailboxes. Apart from this I often notice broken threads from posters using Gnus, not sure if Gnus or the user is to blame there. I use mutt-kz (mutt with notmuch integration) and emacsclient. With support for linking using org-notmuch, I couldn't be happier. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.