From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Karl Voit Subject: Org-mode as a replacement for delicious (bookmark management) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:37:37 +0200 Message-ID: <2012-06-23T13-52-05@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> Reply-To: news1142@Karl-Voit.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiQXC-0004Zv-4C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:37:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiQX9-0004m2-U4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:37:53 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46570) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SiQX9-0004lw-JF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:37:51 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SiQX5-0006mA-G9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:37:47 +0200 Received: from mail.michael-prokop.at ([88.198.6.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:37:47 +0200 Received: from news1142 by mail.michael-prokop.at with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:37:47 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi! I am disappointed by delicious and thinking of an Org-mode replacement which offers similar featureset. As a long-term user of delicious.com, I loved the old delicious - the one before Yahoo! sent it into «sunset»: storing bookmarks with tags (and a decent tag completion mechanism), having great browser plugins, having a usable Android client, providing some tag farming mechanism (tag renaming, merging tags, deleting tags), having a good search function, offering public RSS feeds for the whole set or combinations of tags. Using Memacs[2] (RSS module) I was able to bring my bookmarks back into Org-mode. Since last year delicious provided me more and more services I do not need/want and - even worse - stopped or modified features I used to use. Performance went down as well. Before I try and switch to direct competitors such as http://diigo.com I am thinking of a possible solution using Org-mode. Besides the obvious disadvantages of loosing public RSS feeds (at least out-of-the-box), it has advantages as well: complete self-hosted service, not depending on the business strategy of a web company, integration into my Org-mode universe, one (external) technology less to worry about. -> Is there someone using Org-mode for bookmark-management which is comparable to delicious? Oh, I am absolutely sure that there are a bunch of people just storing URLs in one bookmarks.org or similar. To avoid misunderstanding: I want more than this :-) My requirements and possible Org-mode solutions: * Storing bookmarks from browsers (me: Chrome) org-protocol.el[1] seems promising. And also [2] is quite interesting. But unfortunately those still lack advanced support for tagging: I would have to send the URL to Emacs Org-mode, switch from browser to Emacs, jump to the most recently added entry, go into tagging mode, add tags (having Org-mode tag completion), exit tagging mode. This means a lot of additional steps to my current situation. I am not happy about those additional steps. * Storing bookmarks with Android Mobile-org Android[3] is great but its share/capture mechanism does not offer good tag support. Especially tag completion is missing. So far, there does not seem to be a cool replacement for the more or less good delicious Android apps. * Tag farming (renaming, merging, deleting, ... tags) Although I have to admit that I am adding lots of tags, I seldom used tag-based searches/queries yet. But so far I can see, tag farming is no problem since basic Emacs features provide RegEx search and replace and so forth. No big problem here. * Search function within bookmarks Standard Emacs search methods, sparse trees, RegEx, ... quite a win on the Emacs/Org-mode side ;-) * Public RSS; Social Web Methods Well there could be a RSS feed exporter for Org-mode as well in future. Or an external script can parse CREATED-properties and generate a feed out of the most recent 20 items. Should not be too complex to do for example using Python as well. Although I really do like this delicious feature, I could live without it I guess. * MISC Did I miss something which might be of interest for a bookmark manager? 1. http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.html 2. http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-annotation-helper.html 3. https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/wiki/ 2. https://github.com/novoid/Memacs -- Karl Voit