From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Karl Voit Subject: Re: Org-mode is not able to manage complex calendar events Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:24:51 +0200 Message-ID: <2011-06-21T19-06-18@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> References: <87aaddaqhz.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <2011-06-20T13-43-17@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87y60wfu05.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <2011-06-20T17-33-36@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <8739j4xvxh.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <2011-06-21T14-18-15@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87ei2nz09l.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Reply-To: news1142@Karl-Voit.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44136) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZ4hN-0003qs-0P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:25:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZ4hK-00049M-7d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:25:12 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:49177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZ4hJ-00048t-DG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:25:09 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QZ4hH-0004Lm-H4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:25:07 +0200 Received: from mail.michael-prokop.at ([88.198.6.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:25:07 +0200 Received: from news1142 by mail.michael-prokop.at with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:25:07 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org * Eric S Fraga wrote: > Karl Voit writes: > > Better yet, however, is to update the documentation yourself and submit > a patch! Pulled the current Org-mode files, read the contribution instructions[1], found the spot where the information should go and ... boom: ,----[ http://orgmode.org/org.html#Repeated-tasks ] | An alternative to using a repeater is to create a number of copies | of a task subtree, with dates shifted in each copy. The command C-c | C-x c was created for this purpose, it is described in Structure | editing. `---- Shame on me - I must have overlooked this important thing :-( >> I'd be glad to see something like this: >> >> * Event <2011-06-21 Tue +1w> <-2011-06-28 Tue> >> >> ... which lets me express an exception (each tuesday starting with >> today but not next week) in an easy to use way. > > Not possible without use of sexp entries, as far as I know. I know. I was dreaming of a future functionality which is easy to use (and easy to implement?) for the masses that are not yet enlightened with the knowledge of ELISP :-) > The trick to using org is to realise that everything in life is > really oriented around tasks; I will remember this statement and think of it the next days ... > calendaring then comes automatically from this! The problem is > that most people have gotten used to separating tasks from > calendar views (cf. separation between tasks lists and > appointments) and so moving to org can be a bit of a culture > shock. If you start thinking from the tasks first, the rest > follows. Hehe. Funny you mention that. Because I am using DateBk6[2] for PalmOS which integrates tasks into the calendar (very well!). So this is kina reverse thinking for me now. (Maybe you can think of «adding a different point of view to Org-mode» if you want.) > For instance, I'm working on a project; call it A. I create a > headline for this project (or a file, or a sub-headline, > whatever). Under this headline, I will create entries for > finances, meetings, notes, actions, etc. Everything in one place. I am currently adopting and developing my workflows for this, yes. > Org then provides a number of "views" to look at different aspects > of this project: agenda view (akin to a calendar), column view, > sparse tree view, tags view, ... All of these allow you to see, > easily, the particular aspects of a project, or collection of > projects, that are important at any point. I consider this the most important «feature» of Org-mode. I am dedicating my PhD (not only but mainly) to the notion that information visualization should not be depending on the structure the information is *stored* but only depending on the way I need to have while *accessing* it. [3] if you're interested. It's a research software that cleverly organizes your local files using tags and not within those usual (and not working) hierarchies of folders. It intgrates with *any* application you are currently using on Windows, OS X, and Linux as well. Current users are very happy with the method provided by tagstore. >> * Event <2011-06-21 Tue> >> * Event <2011-06-28 Tue> >> * Event <2011-07-05 Tue> >> * Event <2011-07-12 Tue +1w> >> >> But I aim in a slightly different direction: >> >> * Event >> <2011-06-21 Tue> >> <2011-06-28 Tue>: additional note >> <2011-07-05 Tue> >> <2011-07-12 Tue +1w> > > I would argue that this is a more limiting view as it is difficult to > add notes to each individual event, something I would often (always?) > want to do! If each event (meeting?) is a sub-headline of its own, > adding notes, actions that arise, etc is very easy. > > Again, you can use org to "view" the information you have in different > ways so I would suggest you explore these views. For the above, maybe a > Log view in the agenda might give you what you want. True. I'll give it a try. PS: Thanks for the help so far and I appreciate the community and discussion here very much. 1. http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html 2. http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/datebk6.htm 3. http://tagstore.org -- Karl Voit