From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Detlef Steuer Subject: Re: An Org-mode clone for Vim Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:27:34 +0100 Message-ID: <20101106112734.1da97d0e@rechenknecht.site> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45138 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PEfxl-0001ve-Hk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 06:25:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PEfxg-0006cE-7n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 06:25:33 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:56090) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PEfxf-0006bt-T7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 06:25:28 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PEfxe-0002cK-LQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 11:25:26 +0100 Received: from e176081066.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.176.81.66]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 11:25:26 +0100 Received: from detlef.steuer by e176081066.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 11:25:26 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 19:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Herbert Sitz wrote: > I've been working on a Vim plugin that is file-compatible with Org-mode and that > clones a good subset of features. It's gotten to the point where I'd like to > put it up on Github and see if anyone wants to use it and/or help develop it > with me. So far I've implemented a good subset of Org's functionality and, > though it has a few rough edges, right now it could be perfectly usable for > certain people out there who prefer Vim as a text editor, but who have been > drawn to Emacs' Org-mode because of its features. My project isn't at the point > where it has all the features or the polish of Org-mode, but many Org-mode users > use only a small subset of Org. For people who prefer Vim and have subsets > coinciding with my project it could be an option. > > I've made a video showing what it looks like and demonstrating some of the basic > outlining stuff. I just uploaded it to Vimeo, and it tells me it will be > available for viewing in a couple hours (i.e., around 3:15pm PST today, Friday > Nov. 5,2010). When available it will be viewable at this link: > http://vimeo.com/16543959 > Wow! There is another reason, why this can be very, very useful: If you work in a team it becomes very hard to introduce a file format which more or less requires emacs. I.e. I have a colleague who has vim hard coded into his brain. He never ever would think about starting to use emacs. Now, may be, I can convince him to collaborate in orgmode structured files. That alone is worth the effort. Furthermore it may be useful to use vim over ssh+screen for simple access to your orgmode files even if you use the full power at your desk. Was there a link somewhere to try it out? Would be nice! Did you reach a point where it interacts with vim's R plugin? That's quite usabel nowadays. Thank you for sharing! Detlef > For someone who asks, 'Why would you bother to do this for Vim when it's already > done in Emacs?", I would have these responses: > > 1. A lot of people don't like Emacs. It is of course an insanely powerful > piece of software, but a lot of people can never get accustomed to the chord-key > command system, or if they do get semi-accustomed they don't like it or it > causes them physical pain. > 2. Some people are of the opinion that, while Emacs is admittedly a great > operating system/development environment, it lacks a decent text editor. ;) > 3. Emacs and Vim (or Vim and Emacs) are king and queen atop the pile of text > editors. What one has the other should have to, to the extent possible. > 4. I consider myself a Vim person, but I moved to Org-mode and Emacs myself > (made almost palatable to me by Viper and Vimpulse) because I wanted to be able > to publish outlines to PDF and HTML. Vim has a couple decent outliners but > nobody has bothered to create good export systems for quality output. I had > written some (non-publishing-related) extensions for one of the Vim outliners > and I knew it wouldn't be that hard to write something in Vim that was > file-compatible with Org-mode, which would then be able to publish to PDF and > HTML simply by calling out to an Emacs server. This was my original goal and > it's done and works great. > 5. As I did some work I became more curious about all the task management and > organization features in Org-mode, and how they might be implemented in Vim. So > I started coding up stuff for the various Org searches, agenda views, sparse > trees, column views, date management, etc. This is actually fun to do and Vim > is well-suited for doing it. So I've kept going. I'm hoping someone else might > have an interest in doing this with me. > 6. As I said in 5., developing this stuff is fun. > > That's about it. If there's any interest I'll do more videos showing how other > Org-mode features have been implemented in the Vim plugin, and where they stand > right now in the Vim plugin compared to Org-mode. > > Regards, > > Herb Sitz > Seattle, WA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >