From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Russell Adams Subject: Re: Basic orgmode tutorial Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:18:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20100324171848.GK16785@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> References: <10AEC517-6BBA-4436-B567-D1D5AB6A78C8@gmail.com> <20100323220701.GE18401@thinkpad.adamsinfoserv.com> <0C588648-02E7-4C91-B66F-F994DBDB0433@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NuUIL-00016U-I4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:23:05 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40980 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NuUIJ-00015M-Pn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:23:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuUIH-0000ix-Nt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:23:03 -0400 Received: from squirtle.drak.net ([72.52.144.201]:58832) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuUIH-0000it-Hs for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:23:01 -0400 Received: from 208.16.csx.com ([216.231.208.16] helo=localhost) by squirtle.drak.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuUI8-0006oD-1w for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:22:52 -0500 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0C588648-02E7-4C91-B66F-F994DBDB0433@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Carsten, I discussed this with a few users off an on. In the manual there are items required to setup org, keybindings, etc. The idea would be to include: - An Agenda file, which loads by default - Init file which - Preconfigured keybindings - Remember keybinding for basic todo to agenda file - Configured auto-mode-alist - Recommended Global key maps They are all basic items to an experienced emacs user, but a new user doesn't understand why they have to go edit the config file and make changes. Their emphasis is on they want to run "Org-mode", not "Emacs with Org-mode". Perhaps an install script which sets the file association for .org in whatever OS they are installing to. Option icon to load straight to agenda view... Just a few idea that have been bantered around, I suspect all of those could be performed with a script as opposed to redistributing emacs. Thanks. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:52:41AM +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Russel, > > this is also a valuable idea. There are two avenues in this direction. > > 1. Make the org-mode defaults already set all this stuff up. > > 2. Offer a blind set of configurations and tell users, > if you don' know nothing yet, use these. > > > In either case, what would the improved defaults be that > help beginners get a better start? > > - Carsten > > On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Russell Adams wrote: > >> The idea of a tutorial is great, but has anyone considered a >> pre-configured out-of-the-box Org customized Emacs distribution? >> >> I've had to help several new users get things like basic agenda, emacs >> initialization, and remember templates setup and it seemed very >> repetitive. >> >> The Emacs learning curve really holds back Org adoption in that sense, >> they can't just open Emacs and use Org immediately as anything other >> than an outline editor. >> >> Perhaps just a script to enact default customizations, that the >> tutorial could then build upon? >> >> Thanks. >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 07:59:11PM +0100, Alexander Poslavsky wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> lately there is some talk about a basic org-mode tutorial. Something >>> simpler then the documentation, that will help a person new to emacs >>> and org-mode start using org. I would like to put the following on >>> worg, if people would think something like this would fit the bill. >>> What do you think? If the response is positive then I would add more >>> chapters to it. >>> >>> greetings, >>> >>> alex >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com >> >> PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ >> >> Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > - Carsten > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3