From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adam Spiers Subject: Re: emacs on the N800 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:09:04 +0000 Message-ID: <20071214100904.GB13112@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> References: <20070919122635.0509b57b@dhcp-296-6> <3ad6756659cc3e44517dfc1fadbe8e05@science.uva.nl> <20071211234714.GE12375@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> <87wsrkmazl.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20071212112928.GA16499@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> <877ijjapbz.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20071212160219.GC16499@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> <87zlwdrcav.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Reply-To: Adam Spiers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J37Tl-0002Fe-3x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:09:13 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J37Tj-0002DN-Rj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:09:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J37Tj-0002Cy-EL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:09:11 -0500 Received: from mail.beimborn.com ([70.84.38.100]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J37Tj-0000yO-1t for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:09:11 -0500 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87zlwdrcav.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: org-mode mailing list , Daniel M German On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:00:08AM +0100, Bastien wrote: > Thanks to both of you for your answers. > > After spending way too much time browsing the internet for demo videos > and people talking of the usefulness of the physical keyboard, I think > I will go for the N810 (requiring that I'm very patient and will send > back the N800 currently laying unpacked on my desk...) Ah, you already have the N800, I didn't realise that. You must have a lot of willpower to leave that unopened :-) > The two things that made me hesitate: > > - If the d-pad is on the physical keyboard, perhaps it means that you > often have to slide the keyboard out, even if you just need the d-pad? That's true, but the only time I've actually missed this in the few days since I've had it is when using the xterm, and for that I configured tappable Left/Right/Up/Down shortcuts on the screen. They take up valuable shortcut space which could be used for less mundane shortcuts. But hopefully I can get emacs running in X11 mode so that I can tap to navigate, and use org-mouse for editing - though this will require some tweaks since obviously there are not 3 mouse buttons. According to a few google search results, tap-and-hold apparently emulates a right-click but I don't know in which layer of the stack this is implemented: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1839 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2078 http://live.gnome.org/GtkStylusMode > - Apparently the top first row of keys (QWERTY) is a bit too close to > the screen part of the device. Making it difficult to type with the > thumb, at least when you're not sitting. I read this too, but I haven't found that at all so far, but then my thumbs are on the average side of small. My mine complaint with the keyboard would be the lack of tactile separate between keys; however people say that after a few days you get used to it and I haven't used it that long yet. > Unless Adam tells me that the physical keyboard is not as useful as he > first thought (maybe for the reasons I mention here), I'll go for N810. Entering text by tapping can be very frustrating in certain situations, so I suspect I'd miss having the physical keyboard. The selection of the small tap keyboard for stylus and the large finger keyboard seems to be quite hard to control - sometimes you get one, sometimes the other. In normal text fields it's not too bad, but in the xterm app it's almost impossible to get a finger keyboard. Software bug no doubt, but who knows how long it will take to be fixed? As I said before, the finger keyboard takes over the whole screen so you lose all context during entry. Also perhaps more importantly, the stylus/finger keyboards make chords impossible, e.g. there is no Control AFAICS. The physical keyboard has the following by default: Key Event reported by xev ---------------------------------- Fn ISO_Level3_Shift Left Shift Shift_L Right Shift Shift_L :-( Chr Multi_key Ctrl Control_R Enter KP_Enter d-pad centre Enter Shame that Right Shift doesn't generate Shift_R - could have rebound one of the shifts as Meta in that case. Maybe this is tweakable at a lower level rather than being hard-wired in the circuits though. > Looking forward to installing Emacs 23 on it and share experience :) Aye :-)