From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adam Spiers Subject: Re: emacs on the N800 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:25:08 +0000 Message-ID: <20071212172508.GE16499@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> References: <87zlzm942b.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20070919122635.0509b57b@dhcp-296-6> <3ad6756659cc3e44517dfc1fadbe8e05@science.uva.nl> <20071211234714.GE12375@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> <87wsrkmazl.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20071212112928.GA16499@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> <877ijjapbz.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Reply-To: Adam Spiers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J2VKb-0001q1-Kn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:25:13 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J2VKa-0001ph-Ei for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:25:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2VKa-0001pe-96 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:25:12 -0500 Received: from mail.beimborn.com ([70.84.38.100]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J2VKZ-0007Ss-Vx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:25:12 -0500 Received: from mail.beimborn.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.beimborn.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lBCHPBqT009371 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:25:11 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by mail.beimborn.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id lBCHPAsK009366 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:25:10 GMT Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:55:37AM -0800, Daniel M German wrote: > I am moving this back to org, since I suspect they will be interested people. Good idea. > Bastien> Hhmm... yes, this is what I expected. Daniel, is the physical keyboard > Bastien> something that you miss? How are you dealing with Emacs key chords? > > I can't miss what I have never had ;) The stylus is ok with Ctrl > sequences, they just need one extra tap. Unfortunately xterm is broken > in OS2007 (control-_ is impossible) but I fixed it. In OS2008 it is > difficult to issue Ctrl- commands (they require an extra tap). I might > look into this once i fully move to 2008. So I guess that out of the > box, a phyical keyboard might make a difference, if it supports > . It does. I haven't figured out how to get or on it yet, but xmodmap is available so it should be possible. > With respect to the virtual keyboard, it lacks , and > . But a physical key can provide ESC. This is the reason I run > emacs inside an XTerm (emacs -nw). The Xterm can provide me a shortcut > to : I tap it, then next key I tap is read as . The > disadvantage is that is no "mouse" support (the stylus can be used as > a pointer). Ah, drat :-( I didn't think of that. Of course, org-mouse.el won't work with emacs-nox. But judging by your org-mode screenshot http://turingmachine.org/~dmg/temp/emacsOrgN800full.jpg you seem to know how to configure the xterm application to feed more complex macros such as C-x. How did you set this up and is it documented anywhere? > Now, OS2008 can work in host-mode (I have tested it myself). This > means you can attach any external keyboard. Some people have luck with > the apple bluetooth keyboard. I own a bluetooth IPaq keyboard (but I > haven't been able to connect it to it under OS 2008). So when I really > need to use emacs, I can always connect a real keyboard. Not ideal for > standing up, but way more practical than a virtual keyboard when > sitting. Yes, I guess even one of those virtual laser keyboards would be possible. > Bastien> Sorry to ask so insistently, but I *can't* test the N800 > Bastien> until I make up my mind on this :( And chosing the N810 > Bastien> instead means that I'll have to wait for another two > Bastien> weeks... > > Well, it depends on how much money you are willing to spend. The N800 > is around 150-250 dollars cheaper than the N810. I personally don't > see a reason to upgrade. But this is mainly because I always have a > laptop with me. Yep - most N800 users seem to agree it is a lot to ask for an upgrade, but buying from scratch I think it's easier to justify. > Bastien> (There are many other factors. For example, how many softwares are > Bastien> available for 0S2008, compared to 0S2007? Is it worth waiting for > Bastien> an AZERTY physical keyboard? etc, etc...) > > This is why I dual boot. Some applications I use regularly haven't > made it to OS2008. So it's not possible to install OS2007 libraries on OS2008? > What we need is to compile emacs23 and see if works well with a > physical and stylus keyboard. Amen! That sounds like a very interesting project.