From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Clemente <n142857@gmail.com>
Cc: Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca>,
org-mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Custom entry IDs in HTML export
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:55:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1FEE16B4-2913-487C-8822-094FF4EC725C@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871vsfjkm3.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>
Hi Sebastian,
I kind of like the idea to have a property that can be
used to set an ID, as an alternative to the <<target>>
notation. Actually, using a property seems a lot cleaner,
thanks for coming up with this idea, Daniel.
I can also follow the reasoning that it is useful to have
the table of contents link to the human-readable id, because
it provides a general, simple workflow to retrieve a link that
will persist through changes of the document. This workflow
was described also by Bernt earlier in this thread.
Finally, I also agree that the main id in the <h3> tag
should be the automatically generated one because this is
best for automatic processing and because of all the arguments
you have presented.
Would it cause problems for org-info.js if the toc points to
a user specified anchor in the headline, instead of the main
ID that is inside the <h3> tag? THis would really be the only
required change.
- Carsten
On Mar 30, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Daniel Clemente wrote:
> El dv, mar 27 2009, Sebastian Rose va escriure:
>>
>> What we have now, just as Carstens said:
>>
>> # <<human-readable>>
>> * Section B
>>
>> Creates this headline in HTML:
>>
>> <h2 id="sec-2"><a name="human-readable" id="human-readable"></a>2
>> Section B </h2>
>>
>> This is enough for all the use cases I can think of.
>>
>
> Yes, this is enough except for two things:
> 1. The TOC still links to #sec-2 and the user can't change that
> 2. Your syntax doesn't fold very well in the outliner. I mean: if
> you use
>
>> # <<human-readable>>
>> * Section B
>
> then the comment appears at the end of the previous section, and
> you can miss it when you are viewing the heading „Section B“. I
> would swap both lines (solution 1):
>
>> * Section B
>> # <<human-readable>>
>
> But since there are already LOGBOOK drawers under the heading, it
> would be a lot clearer to use a property, like EXPORT_ID (solution 2):
>
>> * Section B
>> :PROPERTIES:
>> :EXPORT_ID: human-readable
>> :END:
>
>
> In this way, the TOC can reliably find the EXPORT_ID, and then
> generate:
>> <h2 id="sec-2"><a name="human-readable" id="human-readable"></a>2
>> Section B </h2>
>
> (You could also leave *just* the human-readable id, but having two
> is not bad.
>
>
> I would prefer solution 1, but I don't because I'm not sure that
> the TOC can find the ID if it is written as a comment anywhere under
> the heading (and together with other things).
>
> Solution 2 involves thus: a new property to specify the human-
> readable entry ID, which will be used to link to the entry. The
> automatic ID (#sec-2) will still work for all entrys.
>
>
>>
>> * Distinguishing automatic and human readable IDs
>>
>> One thing I like is, that we now _can_ distinguish the
>> `human-readable-target' (human readable) from the `sec-2' (not human
>> readable and not context related) using a regular expression.
>>
>> In org-info.js, I can now prefere the human readable ID in <a>
>> from an
>> automatic created one, and thus use that to create the links for `l'
>> and `L'. The same holds true for other programming languages and
>> parsers.
>>
>> If we open the <h3>'s ID for user defined values (bad), we can not
>> distinguish those ID's using a regular expression and there is no
>> way
>> to detect the human readable one. There will be no way to _know_
>> that
>> the <a>'s ID is the prefered one used for human readable links.
>>
>
> Solution 2 doesn't break the parsing techniques you use; in fact it
> can also make clearer which ID is the human readable one and which
> one not.
>
>
> This is not extremely important; just useful:
> - for pages with many incoming links from external sites
> - to ensure link integrity (now you can't assure that links will
> still work in 1 year ... or in some weeks)
> - to avoid that HTML visitors get directed to a wrong section and
> can't find what they searched
>
>
> Greetings,
> Daniel
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-16 8:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-27 12:47 Custom entry IDs in HTML export Daniel Clemente
2009-03-27 16:16 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-03-27 17:57 ` Bernt Hansen
2009-03-27 21:32 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-03-30 11:49 ` Daniel Clemente
2009-04-16 6:55 ` Carsten Dominik [this message]
2009-04-16 8:50 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-04-16 11:28 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-04-16 13:14 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-04-16 17:14 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-04-16 20:50 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-04-16 21:26 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-04-16 22:37 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-04-17 4:11 ` Carsten Dominik
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