From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "T. V. Raman" Subject: Re: export to html and relative links: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:32:45 -0700 Message-ID: <18434.28141.555914.954122@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <18433.37101.453170.649918@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18434.10211.460576.220006@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18434.13307.199469.747272@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83DA18C3-10D2-4286-95BE-8E81EA1D0652@science.uva.nl> <18434.21887.554746.137185@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Reply-To: raman@users.sf.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jl8sd-0000HF-07 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:32:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jl8sb-0000FK-FA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:32:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jl8sb-0000FB-B0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:32:49 -0400 Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.48]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jl8sb-00079d-4a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:32:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: dominik@science.uva.nl Cc: raman@users.sf.net, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org file:// urls are already designed to be platform independent. So an org file should never carry in it a path like a\\b\\c.html -- we should always use a/b/c.html since that's the syntax used by relative URLs. >>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik writes: Carsten> Hi Raman, On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:48 PM, T. V. Raman Carsten> wrote: Carsten> >> two suggestions: >> >> 1) accept paths like "./foo.html" as local links. Carsten> Carsten> I will look into this. The problem is the system Carsten> dependence of file names, so I am not sure what a Carsten> good solution would be that would work on Windows as Carsten> well as on Unix. Carsten> >> 2) Augment C-c C-l to react to file: by providing filename >> completion relative to the working directory. Carsten> Carsten> Hmm, that is difficult, but thanks for the pointer, Carsten> maybe we can steel some code. Carsten> Carsten> For now, if you use `C-u C-c C-l', you get file Carsten> completion, and the result will be a "file:" link Carsten> with a relative path (unless you enter a path Carsten> starting with "/"). Even if you find the file with Carsten> ../../../some/path, it will still be inserted as a Carsten> relative link. Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten Carsten> >> > > The emacs binding to the w3m browser does this if you type >> file: in the minibuffer when prompted for a URL. >> >>>>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik >>>>>>> writes: Carsten> Hmmmm, this is *such* a good idea, that I will Carsten> implement this retroactively into all versions since Carsten> ... 2.0 or so? Abracadabra! Done. Carsten> Carsten> In fact, it has been working just so for a very long Carsten> time. Carsten> Carsten> file:foo.html -> href="foo.html" file:foo.org -> Carsten> href="foo.html" Carsten> Carsten> The second line assumes that the org file foo.org Carsten> will also be converted to an html file in the Carsten> publishing process.... Carsten> Carsten> Also, I was mistaken earlier: Carsten> Carsten> http:foo.html becomes href="http:foo.html" and not Carsten> href="foo.html" Carsten> Carsten> so this actually cannot be used for a local link. Carsten> Carsten> So what remains from this exchange? Should we Carsten> accept links that look like absolute file names Carsten> (including ./foo.html) as equivalent to Carsten> file:./foo.html ? Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten Carsten> Carsten> On Apr 13, 2008, at 6:25 PM, T. V. Raman wrote: Carsten> >>>> >> I think writing http:foo.html is a bad idea because typing >>>> that string in other contexts is sort of meaningless as >>>> a URL. Until now, everything one types in org-mode sort >>>> of has meaning elsewhere. If you want it to look like a >>>> url in this case too then I'd suggest file:foo.html -- >>>> rther than http:file.html. >>>> >>>> I did not suggest that earlier because it's more chars >>>> to type, but that's not a huge concern since emacs does >>>> the typing, and we could always augment c-c c-l to >>>> enable authoring of relative links with file completion. >>>> >>>> so file:a/b/c.html would become href="a/b/c.html" in the >>>> generated html. >>>> >>>>>>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik >>>>>>>>> writes: Carsten> On Apr 13, 2008, at 5:33 PM, T. V. Raman wrote: Carsten> >>>>>> I've not tried http:foo.html -- but I suggest doing >>>>>> that to author a relative URL is a bad idea. Carsten> Carsten> Can you explain why you think that this is a bad Carsten> idea? Educate me! What is wrong with writing Carsten> http:foo.html ?????? Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten Carsten> >>>>>> >>> >>> I tried ./foo.html and that didn't work either. One >>>>>> compromise would be to get ./foo.html to link to a >>>>>> relative url, while foo.html continues to link to a >>>>>> local anchor >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik >>>>>>>>>>> writes: Carsten> On Apr 13, 2008, at 6:49 AM, T. V. Raman wrote: Carsten> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> org-export turns links of the form [[foo][link to >>>>>>>> relative url foo]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ends up creating links of the form >>>>>>> href="#foo">... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this means that it becomes impossible to write >>>>>>>> hyperlinks that are relative URLs. Carsten> Carsten> Hi Raman, Carsten> Carsten> the url goes into the first pair of square brackets, Carsten> the description into the second. If you put Carsten> something into the first bracket pair that does not Carsten> look lie a url, it will be treated as an internal Carsten> link. Carsten> Carsten> Have you tried to use something like Carsten> Carsten> [[http:foo.html][link to relative url]] Carsten> Carsten> ? Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best Regards, --raman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: >>>>>> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: >>>>>> tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: >>>>>> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc >>>>>> Google: tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best Regards, --raman >>>> >>>> >>>> Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: >>>> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: >>>> tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: >>>> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: >>>> tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs >> >> -- >> Best Regards, --raman >> >> >> Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: >> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: >> tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: >> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: >> tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs -- Best Regards, --raman Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs