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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.42 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 07BA69404D5 X-Spam-Score: -4.42 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: SUSPkn/RxD1B This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dUF9ODIVLypUF8KP757KvSIQILhEFNqq1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Sotkec6OK12tzuUIxmWsAAk9fqarGQJJi" --Sotkec6OK12tzuUIxmWsAAk9fqarGQJJi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16-12-2020 19:41, Tim Cross wrote: >=20 >=20 > Github is not an option here. The problem is, github encourages the use= > of proprietary, non-free software, which conflicts with the GNU's > primary goal of software freedom. As Org mode is a GNU project, it > cannot use Github in any fashion which would encourage the use of githu= b > interfaces that require/encourage the use of non-free software, which > unfortunately, key parts of their web UI does. I'm not an expert in web technologies and their licenses, but given that Debian, KDE and Gnome use Gitlab [1,2] this Github alternative may be an option to consider too. The open core of Gitlab is licensed under the MIT license [1] (which may or may not be acceptable for this community...= ). I personally use Gitlab both via the web interface and in Emacs via Magit's forge [4]. So far, this works well for my daily workflow. I guess the 'young ones' using Github would be equally happy with Gitlab. My two cents, Lennart. [1] https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ [2] https://salsa.debian.org/public [4] https://github.com/magit/forge >=20 > With respect to providing a different forum which might e more familiar= > or more comfortable to younger users who are not as comfortable with a > mailing list, I don't know what the answer is. By definition, being an > old user who is out of step with the trends of the young, I an other ol= d > timers probably don't have the necessary familiarity with modern trends= > to do anything here. If young users need/want a different forum, they > need to take on the responsibility for that initiative. The only > restriction is that the forum must fit with the philosophy and guidelin= es > of the FSF with respect to free (libre) software and not just 'open > source'. >=20 > Personally, I think on-line communities went backwards after the declin= e > of USERNET newsgroups. > -- > Tim Cross >=20 --=20 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* L.C. 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