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I don't dispute that. >   It's not really a question of whether you personally would do it; > it's a question of whether org will support a practice that exists in > some real-world contexts.   What I dispute is that such "non-citations" are dangling pointers, better replaced by incises or footnotes ... or proper citations. -- Emmanuel Charpentier --=-E0M6Zkho6ScjHh6doLvc Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le mardi 20 juillet 2021 =C3=A0 02:55 -0400, = Matt Price a =C3=A9crit :
Certainly citation of personal communications is common in the fields= of history and philosophy of science, where it represents an effort to res= ponsibly represent the source of ideas owed to other persons.

I don't dispute that.

  It's not really a question of w= hether you personally would do it; it's a question of whether org will supp= ort a practice that exists in some real-world contexts.  

What I dispute is that such "non-citations" = are dangling pointers, better replaced by incises or footnotes ... or prope= r citations.

--
Emmanuel Charpentier

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