newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[adam]

Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10 

Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working. 
However I wish finer grain LaTeX control. 


For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex  

So I followed one suggestion and installed    
sudo apt-get install texlive-latex-extra 

However Tex's tlmgr reports errors and doesn't work. Tex users suggest 
a version incompatibility between that tlmgr and this Tex package. 

Any suggestions are welcome. 

Perhaps I should un-install texlive-latex-extra  and install a more fully blown LaTex
package. In which case, which one?

Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[Robert Klein]

Hi,

On Sat, 01 Sep 2018 22:12:39 +1200
adam <ahcnz@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

> Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10 
> 
> Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working. 
> However I wish finer grain LaTeX control. 
> 
> 
> For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex  
> 
> So I followed one suggestion and installed    
> sudo apt-get install texlive-latex-extra 
> 
> However Tex's tlmgr reports errors and doesn't work. Tex users
> suggest a version incompatibility between that tlmgr and this Tex
> package. 
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome. 
> 
> Perhaps I should un-install texlive-latex-extra  and install a more
> fully blown LaTex package. In which case, which one?

I typically install texlive-full (Debian 9), but don't use tlmgr on it.

If you want newer packages best download and install it from
texlive.net to a separate location (e.g. /opt/texlive/$YEAR).

Are you sure you don't have pdftex installed already?

Is your Ubuntu an “update” installation that may have gone wrong?  Or
does Ubuntu offer several tex/latex distributions?  I think most people
nowadays use the texlive distribution.

Best regards
Robert

Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[adam]

On Sat, 2018-09-01 at 14:34 +0200, Robert Klein wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2018 22:12:39 +1200
> adam <ahcnz@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10 
> > 
> > Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working. 
> > However I wish finer grain LaTeX control. 
> > 
> > 
> > For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex  
> > 
> > So I followed one suggestion and installed    
> > sudo apt-get install texlive-latex-extra 
> > 
> > However Tex's tlmgr reports errors and doesn't work. Tex users
> > suggest a version incompatibility between that tlmgr and this Tex
> > package. 
> > 
> > Any suggestions are welcome. 
> > 
> > Perhaps I should un-install texlive-latex-extra  and install a more
> > fully blown LaTex package. In which case, which one?
> I typically install texlive-full (Debian 9), but don't use tlmgr on it.
> 
> If you want newer packages best download and install it from
> texlive.net to a separate location (e.g. /opt/texlive/$YEAR).
> 
> Are you sure you don't have pdftex installed already?
> 
> Is your Ubuntu an “update” installation that may have gone wrong?  Or
> does Ubuntu offer several tex/latex distributions?  I think most people
> nowadays use the texlive distribution.
> 
> Best regards
> Robert


Thanks Robert. 

No, I didn't have a pdftex beforehand, so I needed that from any Tex/LaTeX/TexLive
system. 

It was perhaps my mistake to install  texlive-extra  because tlmgr doesn't work properly,
tlmgrgui seems unavailable, thus I can't list my currently available fonts or load new
packages. 

With some hesitation or regret, I feel must install a full-blown TeX Live system, simply
for some help or control with the Tex of the org-mode LaTeX PDF export.    


I found this link below, which suggests using the TeX Live Installer

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1092/how-to-install-vanilla-texlive-on-debian-or-u
buntu?noredirect=1&lq=1 


Thank you. 

Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[Eric S Fraga]

On Saturday,  1 Sep 2018 at 22:12, adam wrote:
> Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10 
>
> Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working. 
> However I wish finer grain LaTeX control. 
>
>
> For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex  

But org exports to LaTeX, not TeX.  I.e. it exports to TeX with the
assumption that the LaTeX macros are all available.

Am I missing something?

What finer grain control would you like that you cannot achieve using
org directions such as #+latex: and #+begin_export latex?

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.1.13-783-g97fac4

Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[adam]

On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 11:04 +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Saturday,  1 Sep 2018 at 22:12, adam wrote:
> > 
> > Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10 
> > 
> > Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working. 
> > However I wish finer grain LaTeX control. 
> > 
> > 
> > For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex  
> But org exports to LaTeX, not TeX.  I.e. it exports to TeX with the
> assumption that the LaTeX macros are all available.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> What finer grain control would you like that you cannot achieve using
> org directions such as #+latex: and #+begin_export latex?
> 

I require management of TeX (TeX Live) for export to PDF (LaTeX). 

The Tex Live manager (tlmgr) displays available fonts, loads and removes fonts and other
packages. 
https://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/tlmgr.html 


Sure, pdftex (from texlive-latex-extra) enables org-mode export to PDF, however the 
fonts available are opaque within the TexLive environment without tlmgr. 
Navigation of TexLive customizations, set with install-tl are opaque without tlmgr.  


packages for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS can be seen here, 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=texlive 

using the TexLive installer  install-tl  can be seen here, 
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1092/how-to-install-vanilla-texlive-on-debian-or-u
buntu 


In other words, org-mode export to PDF assumes a pdftex, and the tex/texlive/LaTex
environment is up to the user to simply provide a pdftex. 


 


   

Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[Eric S Fraga]

On Monday,  3 Sep 2018 at 09:32, adam wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 11:04 +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
>> On Saturday,  1 Sep 2018 at 22:12, adam wrote:
>> > 
>
>> > Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10 
>> > 
>> > Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working. 
>> > However I wish finer grain LaTeX control. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex  
>> But org exports to LaTeX, not TeX.  I.e. it exports to TeX with the
>> assumption that the LaTeX macros are all available.
>> 
>> Am I missing something?
>> 
>> What finer grain control would you like that you cannot achieve using
>> org directions such as #+latex: and #+begin_export latex?
>> 
>
> I require management of TeX (TeX Live) for export to PDF (LaTeX). 
>
> The Tex Live manager (tlmgr) displays available fonts, loads and
> removes fonts and other packages.

So this has nothing to do with org then?

I've never used tlmgr so cannot help.  Sorry.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.1.13-783-g97fac4

Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[Robert Klein]

Hi Adam,

On Mon, 03 Sep 2018 09:32:14 +1200
adam <ahcnz@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

> On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 11:04 +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> > On Saturday,  1 Sep 2018 at 22:12, adam wrote:  
> > > 
> > > Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10 
> > > 
> > > Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working. 
> > > However I wish finer grain LaTeX control. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex    
> > But org exports to LaTeX, not TeX.  I.e. it exports to TeX with the
> > assumption that the LaTeX macros are all available.
> > 
> > Am I missing something?
> > 
> > What finer grain control would you like that you cannot achieve
> > using org directions such as #+latex: and #+begin_export latex?
> >   
> 
> I require management of TeX (TeX Live) for export to PDF (LaTeX). 
> 
> The Tex Live manager (tlmgr) displays available fonts, loads and
> removes fonts and other packages. 
> https://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/tlmgr.html 
> 
> 
> Sure, pdftex (from texlive-latex-extra) enables org-mode export to
> PDF, however the fonts available are opaque within the TexLive
> environment without tlmgr. Navigation of TexLive customizations, set
> with install-tl are opaque without tlmgr.  
> 
> 
> packages for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS can be seen here, 
> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=texlive 
> 
> using the TexLive installer  install-tl  can be seen here, 
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1092/how-to-install-vanilla-texlive-on-debian-or-u
> buntu 
> 
> 
> In other words, org-mode export to PDF assumes a pdftex, and the
> tex/texlive/LaTex environment is up to the user to simply provide a
> pdftex. 
> 

I don't get the “require management” part of this.  Ubuntu has about
100 texlive packages, the texlive distribution offers about 47.  The
SUSE guys went overboard and had (still have?) about 3500 packages ---
a former 2-hour installation with about 3-5 “texlive” packages (fully
automated) took 4.5 plus then...

Why don't you just install Ubuntu's texlive-full and be done with it?

Best regards
Robert

Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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Hello Adam,

As Ubuntu and Debian user, I agree with Robert: the install of texlive via
texlive-full is the best solution. Other packages can after be installed in
~/texmf/tex/latex/local/  (idem for ~/texmf/bibtex/ )  and everything
should run smoothly.

Best wishes,

Jo.

Le lun. 3 sept. 2018 à 07:49, Robert Klein <roklein@roklein.de> a écrit :

> Hi Adam,
>
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2018 09:32:14 +1200
> adam <ahcnz@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 11:04 +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> > > On Saturday,  1 Sep 2018 at 22:12, adam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Am on Ubuntu 16.04, org-version is 8.2.10
> > > >
> > > > Export to PDF C-c C-e l o  is working.
> > > > However I wish finer grain LaTeX control.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For Export to PDF to work, I needed  pdftex
> > > But org exports to LaTeX, not TeX.  I.e. it exports to TeX with the
> > > assumption that the LaTeX macros are all available.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > What finer grain control would you like that you cannot achieve
> > > using org directions such as #+latex: and #+begin_export latex?
> > >
> >
> > I require management of TeX (TeX Live) for export to PDF (LaTeX).
> >
> > The Tex Live manager (tlmgr) displays available fonts, loads and
> > removes fonts and other packages.
> > https://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/tlmgr.html
> >
> >
> > Sure, pdftex (from texlive-latex-extra) enables org-mode export to
> > PDF, however the fonts available are opaque within the TexLive
> > environment without tlmgr. Navigation of TexLive customizations, set
> > with install-tl are opaque without tlmgr.
> >
> >
> > packages for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS can be seen here,
> > https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=texlive
> >
> > using the TexLive installer  install-tl  can be seen here,
> >
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1092/how-to-install-vanilla-texlive-on-debian-or-u
> > buntu
> >
> >
> > In other words, org-mode export to PDF assumes a pdftex, and the
> > tex/texlive/LaTex environment is up to the user to simply provide a
> > pdftex.
> >
>
> I don't get the “require management” part of this.  Ubuntu has about
> 100 texlive packages, the texlive distribution offers about 47.  The
> SUSE guys went overboard and had (still have?) about 3500 packages ---
> a former 2-hour installation with about 3-5 “texlive” packages (fully
> automated) took 4.5 plus then...
>
> Why don't you just install Ubuntu's texlive-full and be done with it?
>
> Best regards
> Robert
>
>
>
>

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Re: newbie which LaTeX for PDF publish

[Adrian Bradd]

> I found this link below, which suggests using the TeX Live 
> Installer
>
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1092/how-to-install-vanilla-texlive-on-debian-or-u
> buntu?noredirect=1&lq=1

This is my preferred method. You can choose a completely custom 
install or use the pre-defined packages of varying sizes (small, 
medium, full etc.). I usually use the medium or full, but any 
package is just a 'tlmgr install' away (incl. pdftex).

Cheers,

-- 
Adrian Bradd