From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Hannon Subject: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:21:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Michael Hannon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1844937543-1165429305-1321431705=:22960" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47638) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQake-000462-QL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:21:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQakc-0005Fh-T6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:21:48 -0500 Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.137]:31534) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQakc-0005Fb-PI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:21:46 -0500 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Eric Schulte Cc: Org-Mode List --1844937543-1165429305-1321431705=:22960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Eric.=A0 In a recent thread ("Failure exporting with emacs --batch") on= this=0Alist, you mentioned:=0A=0A>> #+BABEL :exports results=0A>>=0A> =0A>= One item to note is that the #+BABEL: syntax is now deprecated, try=0A> re= placing the above line with the following.=0A> =0A> #+PROPERTY: exports res= ults=0A=0AI've seen the extended discussion on this list about this change,= but I=0Ahaven't been able to follow the details.=A0 It seems that there we= re various=0Aproposals and counter proposals.=0A=0ACan you (or others) clar= ify a couple of things for me?=0A=0A(1) Does "deprecated" mean that the BAB= EL line will be gone from Org-mode 7.8?=0A=0A(2) I typically use the follow= ing BABEL line:=0A=0A#+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verba= tim :exports both :tangle=0A=0AHow would I express that using the PROPERTY = syntax?=0A=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0A-- Mike --1844937543-1165429305-1321431705=:22960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Eric.  In a recent t= hread ("Failure exporting with emacs --batch") on this
list, you mention= ed:

>> #+BABEL :exports results
>>
>
> O= ne item to note is that the #+BABEL: syntax is now deprecated, try
> = replacing the above line with the following.
>
> #+PROPERTY: e= xports results

I've seen the extended discussion on this list about = this change, but I
haven't been able to follow the details.  It see= ms that there were various
proposals and counter proposals.

Can y= ou (or others) clarify a couple of things for me?

(1) Does "deprecat= ed" mean that the BABEL line will be gone from Org-mode 7.8?

(2) I t= ypically use the following BABEL line:

#+BABEL: :session *R* :cache = yes :results output verbatim :exports both :tangle

How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax?

Thanks,

-= - Mike

--1844937543-1165429305-1321431705=:22960-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christian Moe Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:19:42 +0100 Message-ID: <4EC3802E.6010108@christianmoe.com> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: mail@christianmoe.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQbbC-00048A-R7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:16:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQbbB-0005ue-QJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:16:06 -0500 Received: from b1.hitrost.net ([91.185.211.67]:58037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQbbB-0005pu-LH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:16:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Michael Hannon Cc: Org-Mode List On 11/16/11 9:21 AM, Michael Hannon wrote: > (2) I typically use the following BABEL line: > > #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports > both :tangle > > How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax? #+PROPERTY: session *R* #+PROPERTY: cache yes #+PROPERTY: results output verbatim etc. Or if you've got everything under the same (parent) heading: * Top-level heading :PROPERTIES: :session: *R* :cache: yes :results: output verbatim :exports: both :tangle: yes :END: hth, Christian From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:31:33 +0100 Message-ID: <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Michael, Michael Hannon wrote: > Hi, Eric.=C2=A0 In a recent thread ("Failure exporting with emacs --batch= ") on this > list, you mentioned: > >>> #+BABEL :exports results >>> >>=20 >> One item to note is that the #+BABEL: syntax is now deprecated, try >> replacing the above line with the following. >>=20 >> #+PROPERTY: exports results > > I've seen the extended discussion on this list about this change, but I > haven't been able to follow the details.=C2=A0 It seems that there were v= arious > proposals and counter proposals. > > Can you (or others) clarify a couple of things for me? > > (1) Does "deprecated" mean that the BABEL line will be gone from Org-mode= 7.8? Yes. > (2) I typically use the following BABEL line: > > #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports both := tangle > > How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax? #+PROPERTY: session *R* #+PROPERTY: cache yes #+PROPERTY: results output verbatim #+PROPERTY: exports both #+PROPERTY: tangle yes Note that I added a "yes" value for the "tangle" property. That was missing from your BABEL line. Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:54:30 -0500 Message-ID: <27892.1321451670@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46729) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQfwi-0001m2-CM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:54:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQfwg-0000UZ-Vd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:54:36 -0500 Received: from g6t0187.atlanta.hp.com ([15.193.32.64]:15754) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQfwg-0000TW-RI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:54:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message from "Sebastien Vauban" of "Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:31:33 +0100." <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban Cc: nicholas.dokos@hp.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Sebastien Vauban wrote: > > (1) Does "deprecated" mean that the BABEL line will be gone from Org-mode= > 7.8? > > Yes. > AFAIK, if you are pulling from the git repo, it's already gone: it's been gone since Oct. 20 or so. Nick From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Hannon Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:48:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321472906.25066.YahooMailNeo@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4EC3802E.6010108@christianmoe.com> Reply-To: Michael Hannon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1465582045-429860984-1321472906=:25066" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49041) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlTD-0004eO-Rg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:48:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlT9-0006qG-4Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:48:31 -0500 Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.161]:21818) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlT8-0006q7-Th for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:48:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4EC3802E.6010108@christianmoe.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "mail@christianmoe.com" Cc: Org-Mode List ---1465582045-429860984-1321472906=:25066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> (2) I typically use the following BABEL line:=0A>>=0A>> #+BABEL: :sessio= n *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports=0A>> both :tangle=0A>>= =0A>> How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax?=0A=0A> #+PROPERTY= : session *R*=0A> #+PROPERTY: cache yes=0A> #+PROPERTY: results output verb= atim=0A> etc.=0A> =0A> Or if you've got everything under the same (parent) = heading:=0A> =0A> * Top-level heading=0A>=A0=A0 :PROPERTIES:=0A>=A0=A0 :ses= sion: *R*=0A>=A0=A0 :cache:=A0 yes=0A>=A0=A0 :results: output verbatim=0A>= =A0=A0 :exports: both=0A>=A0=A0 :tangle:=A0 yes=0A>=A0=A0 :END:=0A=0AThanks= , Christian.=A0 That seems simple enough.=A0 I had a vague recollection tha= t=0Athere was at one time a proposal to have some kind of continuation line= s for=0Amultiple properties.=0A=0A-- Mike ---1465582045-429860984-1321472906=:25066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> (2) I typically use the f= ollowing BABEL line:
>>
>> #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache y= es :results output verbatim :exports
>> both :tangle
>>>> How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax?

> = #+PROPERTY: session *R*
> #+PROPERTY: cache yes
> #+PROPERTY: r= esults output verbatim
> etc.
>
> Or if you've got every= thing under the same (parent) heading:
>
> * Top-level heading=
>   :PROPERTIES:
>   :session: *R*
>=    :cache:  yes
>   :results: output verbati= m
>   :exports: both
>   :tangle:  yes=
>   :END:

Thanks, Christian.  That seems simpl= e enough.  I had a vague recollection that
there was at one time a proposal to have some kind of continuation lines for
multiple pr= operties.

-- Mike

---1465582045-429860984-1321472906=:25066-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Schulte Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:58:51 -0700 Message-ID: <87ehx7x2is.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4EC3802E.6010108@christianmoe.com> <1321472906.25066.YahooMailNeo@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50636) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQldL-0007Op-RX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:59:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQldK-0000X6-BD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:58:59 -0500 Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com ([209.85.210.47]:35676) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQldK-0000Wn-0n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:58:58 -0500 Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so228708pzk.6 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:58:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321472906.25066.YahooMailNeo@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> (Michael Hannon's message of "Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:48:26 -0800 (PST)") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Michael Hannon Cc: Org-Mode List , "mail@christianmoe.com" Michael Hannon writes: >>> (2) I typically use the following BABEL line: >>> >>> #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports >>> both :tangle >>> >>> How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax? > >> #+PROPERTY: session *R* >> #+PROPERTY: cache yes >> #+PROPERTY: results output verbatim >> etc. >>=20 >> Or if you've got everything under the same (parent) heading: >>=20 >> * Top-level heading >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 :PROPERTIES: >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 :session: *R* >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 :cache:=C2=A0 yes >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 :results: output verbatim >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 :exports: both >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 :tangle:=C2=A0 yes >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 :END: > > Thanks, Christian.=C2=A0 That seems simple enough.=C2=A0 I had a vague re= collection that > there was at one time a proposal to have some kind of continuation lines = for > multiple properties. > That is the case and the (now implemented) result of these discussions is best described in the commit message shown here. http://orgmode.org/w/?p=3Dorg-mode.git;a=3Dcommit;h=3D3af89e696a32afcc39f2e= 3bdb6132ac588d530ae Best -- Eric > > -- Mike --=20 Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Hannon Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:03:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321473828.19277.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> Reply-To: Michael Hannon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-159211915-1187481694-1321473828=:19277" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54248) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQli2-0000Hv-DN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:03:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQli1-0001dQ-BV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:03:50 -0500 Received: from nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([72.30.239.64]:44502) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQli1-0001dK-71 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:03:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" ---159211915-1187481694-1321473828=:19277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> [...]=0A>> (1) Does "deprecated" mean that the BABEL line will be gone f= rom Org-mode=0A>> 7.8?=0A=0A> Yes.=0A=0AHi, Seb.=A0 Thanks for confirming t= his.=0A=0A>> (2) I typically use the following BABEL line:=0A>>=0A>> #+BABE= L: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports both=0A>> :tan= gle=0A>>=0A>> How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax?=0A>=0A> #= +PROPERTY:=A0 session *R*=0A> #+PROPERTY:=A0 cache yes=0A> #+PROPERTY:=A0 r= esults output verbatim=0A> #+PROPERTY:=A0 exports both=0A> #+PROPERTY:=A0 t= angle yes=0A=0A> Note that I added a "yes" value for the "tangle" property.= That was missing=0A> from your BABEL line.=0A=0AInteresting.=A0 This is a = digression, but in my version of Emacs (23.2.1, linux,=0A64-bit) if I try t= o copy a long line -- one that extends beyond the border of=0Athe window --= by doing, say:=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 C-a C- C-e M-w=0A=0AI don't get the w= hole line.=A0 The copied text doesn't stop at the visible=0Aborder of the w= indow, but neither does it get all the way to the end of the=0Aline.=A0 Hen= ce, in some of my files the BABEL line DOES include the "yes" in=0A":tangle= yes", but in others, where I evidently didn't pay enough attention=0Awhen = doing the copy, the "yes" is missing.=0A=0AThanks again.=0A=0A-- Mike ---159211915-1187481694-1321473828=:19277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> [...]
>> (1) Doe= s "deprecated" mean that the BABEL line will be gone from Org-mode
>&= gt; 7.8?

> Yes.

Hi, Seb.  Thanks for confirming this.=

>> (2) I typically use the following BABEL line:
>><= br>>> #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :expo= rts both
>> :tangle
>>
>> How would I express th= at using the PROPERTY syntax?
>
> #+PROPERTY:  session *R*=
> #+PROPERTY:  cache yes
> #+PROPERTY:  results outp= ut verbatim
> #+PROPERTY:  exports both
> #+PROPERTY: = ; tangle yes

> Note that I added a "yes" value for the "tangle" p= roperty. That was missing
> from your BABEL line.

Interesting.=   This is a digression, but in my version of Emacs (23.2.1, linux,
64-bit) if I try to copy a long line -- one that extends beyond = the border of
the window -- by doing, say:

    C-a= C-<SPACE> C-e M-w

I don't get the whole line.  The copie= d text doesn't stop at the visible
border of the window, but neither doe= s it get all the way to the end of the
line.  Hence, in some of my = files the BABEL line DOES include the "yes" in
":tangle yes", but in oth= ers, where I evidently didn't pay enough attention
when doing the copy, = the "yes" is missing.

Thanks again.

-- Mike

---159211915-1187481694-1321473828=:19277-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Hannon Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:10:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321474208.33198.YahooMailNeo@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> <27892.1321451670@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> Reply-To: Michael Hannon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-445997109-1244149181-1321474208=:33198" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQloB-0001xb-5d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:10:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlo9-0002cD-U2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:10:11 -0500 Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.146]:29779) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlo9-0002bf-Lt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:10:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <27892.1321451670@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" ---445997109-1244149181-1321474208=:33198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> (1) Does "deprecated" mean that the BABEL line will be gone from Org-mo= de=3D=0A>>>=A0 7.8?=0A>>=0A>> Yes.=0A>>=0A=0A> AFAIK, if you are pulling fr= om the git repo, it's already gone: it's=0A> been gone since Oct. 20 or so.= =0A=0AHeh.=A0 Thanks, Nick.=A0 I AM running with a copy from the git repo, = but I've been=0Aafraid to pull any fresh copies lately, for fear of breakin= g my set-up.=A0 (It's=0Aalso true that I haven't had any compelling reason = to get, or git, a new copy=0Alately, so this behavior is perhaps not quite = as stupid as it must seem.)=0A=0A-- Mike ---445997109-1244149181-1321474208=:33198 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>> (1) Does "deprecated"= mean that the BABEL line will be gone from Org-mode=3D
>>>&nbs= p; 7.8?
>>
>> Yes.
>>

> AFAIK, if you = are pulling from the git repo, it's already gone: it's
> been gone si= nce Oct. 20 or so.

Heh.  Thanks, Nick.  I AM running with = a copy from the git repo, but I've been
afraid to pull any fresh copies = lately, for fear of breaking my set-up.  (It's
also true that I hav= en't had any compelling reason to get, or git, a new copy
lately, so thi= s behavior is perhaps not quite as stupid as it must seem.)

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---445997109-1244149181-1321474208=:33198-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Hannon Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:18:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321474683.50224.YahooMailNeo@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4EC3802E.6010108@christianmoe.com> <1321472906.25066.YahooMailNeo@web161907.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <87ehx7x2is.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Michael Hannon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38251) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlvp-0004CB-Rz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:18:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlvo-0003t4-Li for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:18:05 -0500 Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.175]:25327) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQlvo-0003sz-EZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:18:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ehx7x2is.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Eric Schulte Cc: Org-Mode List [...] >> I had a vague recollection that there was at one time a proposal to have >> some kind of continuation lines for multiple properties. > That is the case and the (now implemented) result of these discussions is > best described in the commit message shown here. > http://orgmode.org/w/?p=org-mode.git;a=commit;h=3af89e696a32afcc39f2e3bdb6132a Thanks, Eric. -- Mike From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:40:03 +0100 Message-ID: <80vcqj94yk.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> <1321473828.19277.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Michael, Michael Hannon wrote: >>> (2) I typically use the following BABEL line: >>> >>> #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports both >>> :tangle >>> >>> How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax? >> >> #+PROPERTY:=C2=A0 tangle yes >> >> Note that I added a "yes" value for the "tangle" property. That was miss= ing >> from your BABEL line. > > Interesting.=C2=A0 This is a digression, but in my version of Emacs (23.2= .1, > linux, 64-bit) if I try to copy a long line -- one that extends beyond the > border of the window -- by doing, say: > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C-a C- C-e M-w > > I don't get the whole line.=C2=A0 The copied text doesn't stop at the vis= ible > border of the window, but neither does it get all the way to the end of t= he > line. Following up your digression... I've seen the same funny root problem when doing `C-e' on long lines on my Windows Emacs (23.3, I think -- I run different versions at different moments). Indeed, `C-e' sometimes does go further than the visible screen limit, but doesn't land at the end of the physical line. I thought it could be somethi= ng in my (very) long .emacs file. Thanks for showing me it's not my config tha= t's in cause! Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:17:01 -0500 Message-ID: <10257.1321481821@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> <1321473828.19277.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80vcqj94yk.fsf@somewhere.org> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35161) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQnn0-0006nE-74 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:17:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQnmy-00077X-9O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:17:06 -0500 Received: from g5t0008.atlanta.hp.com ([15.192.0.45]:19479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQnmy-00077D-5R for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:17:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message from "Sebastien Vauban" of "Wed\, 16 Nov 2011 21\:40\:03 +0100." <80vcqj94yk.fsf@somewhere.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban Cc: nicholas.dokos@hp.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Sebastien Vauban wrote: > Hi Michael, >=20 > Michael Hannon wrote: > >>> (2) I typically use the following BABEL line: > >>> > >>> #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports bo= th > >>> :tangle > >>> > >>> How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax? > >> > >> #+PROPERTY:=C2=A0 tangle yes > >> > >> Note that I added a "yes" value for the "tangle" property. That was mi= ssing > >> from your BABEL line. > > > > Interesting.=C2=A0 This is a digression, but in my version of Emacs (23= .2.1, > > linux, 64-bit) if I try to copy a long line -- one that extends beyond = the > > border of the window -- by doing, say: > > > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C-a C- C-e M-w > > > > I don't get the whole line.=C2=A0 The copied text doesn't stop at the v= isible > > border of the window, but neither does it get all the way to the end of= the > > line. >=20 > Following up your digression... >=20 > I've seen the same funny root problem when doing `C-e' on long lines on my > Windows Emacs (23.3, I think -- I run different versions at different > moments). >=20 > Indeed, `C-e' sometimes does go further than the visible screen limit, but > doesn't land at the end of the physical line. I thought it could be somet= hing > in my (very) long .emacs file. Thanks for showing me it's not my config t= hat's > in cause! >=20 C-e is bound to org-end-of-line which does the stutter step when you have a wide buffer in a narrow window: it stops at the first previously invisible character[fn:1]. If you have a very wide screen (e.g. a table with a hundred columns or something like that) it might take a few steps before you get to the end of the line. But the main reason for org-end-of-line's existence is its behavior on headlines (and the setting of org-special-ctrl-a/e is very relevant). C-h f org-end-of-line RET and C-h v org-special-ctrl-a/e RET make for enlightening reading. Nick Footnotes: [fn:1] well, it's invisible if truncate-lines is t - part of the problem of describing the bahavior is the settings of all these flags. Tables look ugly if wrapped, so you probably want truncate-lines set to t anyway. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Hannon Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:22:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321492928.80031.YahooMailNeo@web161913.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> <1321473828.19277.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80vcqj94yk.fsf@somewhere.org> <10257.1321481821@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> Reply-To: Michael Hannon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQqg6-0001Jm-16 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:22:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQqg5-0004Wf-2Z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:22:10 -0500 Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.126]:45179) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQqg4-0004Wb-TQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:22:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <10257.1321481821@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" > [...]=0A=0A> C-e is bound to org-end-of-line which does the stutter step = when you have a=0A> wide buffer in a narrow window: it stops at the first p= reviously invisible=0A> character[fn:1]. If you have a very wide screen (e.= g. a table with a hundred=0A> columns or something like that) it might take= a few steps before you get to=0A> the end of the line.=0A=A0=0A> But the m= ain reason for org-end-of-line's existence is its behavior on=0A> headlines= (and the setting of org-special-ctrl-a/e is very relevant).=0A> C-h f org-= end-of-line RET and C-h v org-special-ctrl-a/e RET make=0A> for enlightenin= g reading.=0A=0AThanks, Nick.=A0 It never occurred to me to check for remap= ping of C-e, etc.=0A=0A-- Mike From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: BABEL --> PROPERTY? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:02:56 +0100 Message-ID: <8062ijyvcv.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <1321431705.22960.YahooMailNeo@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80boscl8ga.fsf@somewhere.org> <1321473828.19277.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <80vcqj94yk.fsf@somewhere.org> <10257.1321481821@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Nick, Nick Dokos wrote: > Sebastien Vauban wrote: >> Michael Hannon wrote: >> >>> (2) I typically use the following BABEL line: >> >>> >> >>> #+BABEL: :session *R* :cache yes :results output verbatim :exports b= oth >> >>> :tangle >> >>> >> >>> How would I express that using the PROPERTY syntax? >> >> >> >> #+PROPERTY:=C2=A0 tangle yes >> >> >> >> Note that I added a "yes" value for the "tangle" property. That was m= issing >> >> from your BABEL line. >> > >> > Interesting.=C2=A0 This is a digression, but in my version of Emacs (2= 3.2.1, >> > linux, 64-bit) if I try to copy a long line -- one that extends beyond= the >> > border of the window -- by doing, say: >> > >> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C-a C- C-e M-w >> > >> > I don't get the whole line.=C2=A0 The copied text doesn't stop at the = visible >> > border of the window, but neither does it get all the way to the end o= f the >> > line. >>=20 >> Following up your digression... >>=20 >> I've seen the same funny root problem when doing `C-e' on long lines on = my >> Windows Emacs (23.3, I think -- I run different versions at different >> moments). >>=20 >> Indeed, `C-e' sometimes does go further than the visible screen limit, b= ut >> doesn't land at the end of the physical line. I thought it could be some= thing >> in my (very) long .emacs file. Thanks for showing me it's not my config = that's >> in cause! > > C-e is bound to org-end-of-line which does the stutter step when you > have a wide buffer in a narrow window: it stops at the first previously > invisible character[fn:1]. If you have a very wide screen (e.g. a table > with a hundred columns or something like that) it might take a few steps > before you get to the end of the line. > > But the main reason for org-end-of-line's existence is its behavior on > headlines (and the setting of org-special-ctrl-a/e is very relevant). > C-h f org-end-of-line RET and C-h v org-special-ctrl-a/e RET make > for enlightening reading. > > Nick > > Footnotes: > > [fn:1] well, it's invisible if truncate-lines is t - part of the problem > of describing the bahavior is the settings of all these flags. Tables look > ugly if wrapped, so you probably want truncate-lines set to t anyway. I was aware of `org-special-ctrl-a/e' (not set in my config) to let `C-a' a= nd `C-e' behave specially in headlines and items, but I was not aware that -- when not special -- `C-e' still behaved differently from the standard `end-of-line'. I've now bound them back to the standard functions. Thanks... Best regards, Seb --=20 Sebastien Vauban