From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dov Grobgeld Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:54:25 +0200 Message-ID: <1289512465.11701.11.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> References: Reply-To: Dov Grobgeld Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1348127318==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37888 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGf5B-0005nZ-PD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:53:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGf59-0005gk-I2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:53:25 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:62261) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGf59-0005gf-6a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:53:23 -0500 Received: by eydd26 with SMTP id d26so1498102eyd.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:53:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Jeff Horn Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1348127318== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-LDhnb207N0CHkMh2CsFn" --=-LDhnb207N0CHkMh2CsFn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-ID: <1289512464.11701.8.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In principle I agree with you 99percent of the time, as descrete slides define the pace of the lecture, but at the same time I'm against arbitrary limitations. And not being able to scroll is imho such a limitation. Here are a couple of examples that I believe justifies scrolling: * A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents. * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart. In this sence I think that htmlslidy is better than s5. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 ----- Original message ----- > If you want scrolling, why don't you simply make a presentation using > HTML with Org-mode? I mean, just show someone a webpage or two? > > Please understand I'm only curious, not hostile. To me, I just don't > see why you'd want to combine presentations and scrolling... to me, > the advantage of presentations is their fixed size. It forces me to > focus on key points due to the limited real estate on each slide. > > Why not just make an outline in HTML (with all the pretty charts and > graphs inserted) and project your talking points on a screen? > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld > wrote: > > Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is > > LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed > > size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware" > > and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be > > able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it > > all on a single screen full. > > > > Regards, > > Dov > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I > > > > have so far checked the following and found that they have serious > > > > problems: > > > > > > > > epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. > > > > org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long > > > > slides I would like to scroll > > > > > > What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! > > > It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting > > > down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! > > > You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things > > > during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > > > > > -- > Jeffrey Horn > Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics > George Mason University > > (704) 271-4797 > jhorn@gmu.edu > jrhorn424@gmail.com > > http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ --=-LDhnb207N0CHkMh2CsFn Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-ID: <1289512464.11701.10.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In principle I agree with you 99percent of the time, as descrete slides define the pace of the lecture, but at the same time I'm against arbitrary limitations. And not being able to scroll is imho such a limitation. Here are a couple of examples that I believe justifies scrolling:

* A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents.
* A tall graph, e.g a flow chart.

In this sence I think that htmlslidy is better than s5.
--
Sent from my Nokia N900

----- Original message -----
> If you want scrolling, why don't you simply make a presentation using
> HTML with Org-mode? I mean, just show someone a webpage or two?
>
> Please understand I'm only curious, not hostile. To me, I just don't
> see why you'd want to combine presentations and scrolling... to me,
> the advantage of presentations is their fixed size. It forces me to
> focus on key points due to the limited real estate on each slide.
>
> Why not just make an outline in HTML (with all the pretty charts and
> graphs inserted) and project your talking points on a screen?
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is
> > LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed
> > size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware"
> > and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be
> > able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it
> > all on a single screen full.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dov
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld
> > > <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I
> > > > have so far checked the following and found that they have serious
> > > > problems:
> > > >
> > > > epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display.
> > > > org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long
> > > > slides I would like to scroll
> > >
> > > What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much!
> > > It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting
> > > down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will!
> > > You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things
> > > during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jeffrey Horn
> Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics
> George Mason University
>
> (704) 271-4797
> jhorn@gmu.edu
> jrhorn424@gmail.com
>
> http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/

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