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I just wan't to show you my experience with my tries to communicate with the project. It is not my goal to vent my anger; and I even have no anger. My goal is to improve the project not only my own experience! And I hope it is OK that I collect all the items in one mail together. 1. This website has a lot of deadlinks. https://orgmode.org/worg/exporters/ox-overview.html 2. This website https://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-publish-html-tutorial.html at the end in sub-section "Further reading" points to the mailinglist but only to the archive (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/) not to the list-subscription site (https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode). And on the archive site there is no link to the subscription site. 3. This site does not make clear how to submit bug reports. It even does not make clear that the "way" is unusual (not web-based bug-trackers like bugreport or github). It simply says "Submit a bug report" but does not how. I think the important point and information for the users is that "Bug reports are done via E-Mail" to the mailinglist with manipulating the headers or using Emacs itself. 4. Search more around I found out that I have to submit bugreports from inside Emacs via M-x org-something.... Make clear that I have to setup Emacs for sending emails in that case. In my case I am not able to submit regular bug-reports because I do not manipulate my headers and my Emacs is not setup for emails. 5. It is unclear where the repositories for the source code and the code of the website are. If I had found them I would have created a PR/patch for 2. Kind regards Christian