From: <gennady.uraltsev@gmail.com>
To: "'Jud Taylor'" <jud.taylor@protonmail.com>,
"'Stefan Nobis'" <stefan-ml@snobis.de>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: RE: issue tracker?
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:55:16 -0400 [thread overview]
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Hello everyone,
I have been following the org-mode ML and I have seen the discussion about having a bug tracker. I wanted to offer my 2 cents as a non-developer; barely a power user. Org-mode works incredibly well and I use it on a daily basis. It is true that development is very active. However I might say that saying that no bugs fall through the cracks in the ML is a bit of a confirmation bias. My personal experience was different.
I actually submitted some bug reports through emacs about some slightly less used parts of org-mode e.g. ob-eshell. The mailing list is moderated (or has anti-spam) so the result was that my mail did not appear AT ALL. I had that issue before, too, but here in IRC I was suggested to wait for several days. The previous time I think the e-mail eventually got through. When I submitted the bug report for ob-eshell it never did. I found a workaround by using shell instead of ob-shell so I never pursued the issue. Probably the bug is still there.
I am glad that the ML works for the most active developers, and I suppose it works well for the linux kernel since it needs to be centralized and somewhat focused. However org-mode could benefit from more community involvement even of newbies, especially around the parts that are "part of" org-mode but are not that often used and don't receive enough love and attention from the main developers.
A good bug tracker could also help identify parts that are not used or buggy and that should, maybe, be slated for removal or at least separated in a independent package.
You see, for a beginner a bug is quite daunting because you never know if it is actually a bug or if it is your own fault for misunderstanding or misconfiguring something. And, honestly, in emacs, it is quite easy for a beginner to misconfigure something.
All this to say that the ML works great and I picked up great ideas while reading through it in my mailbox (I am subscribed), however it still has a significant "gatekeeper" effect. Please, at least address the issue that some bug reports don't even make it to the list AT ALL.
I do not want this email to be offensive in any way to anyone. I also realize that what I described may not be representative. I excuse myself in advance if my tone was inappropriate.
More than anything I still wish to thank everyone for a piece of fantastic software that has helped me out crucially on multiple occasions!
Sincerely,
Gennady
P.S. I wrote essentially the same e-mail on the IRC channel to be sure that it gets delivered somewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode-bounces+gennady.uraltsev=gmail.com@gnu.org> On Behalf Of Jud Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May, 2020 12:42
To: Stefan Nobis <stefan-ml@snobis.de>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: issue tracker?
I second that.
Nicolas, thank you!
Great product, better vision, high energy!
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:12 AM, Stefan Nobis <stefan-ml@snobis.de> wrote:
> Detlef Steuer steuer@hsu-hh.de writes:
>
> > I would go as far as saying this list is one of the fastest reacting
> > amd friendliest communities I have been part of. The job Nicolas
> > does is just awesome.
>
> +1!
>
> ------
>
> Until the next mail...,
> Stefan.
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Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-18 21:24 issue tracker? Anthony Carrico
2020-05-18 22:21 ` Nick Dokos
2020-05-18 23:13 ` James R Miller
2020-05-19 7:33 ` tomas
2020-05-19 14:02 ` James R Miller
2020-05-19 14:05 ` James R Miller
2020-05-19 14:53 ` tomas
2020-05-19 14:58 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-19 16:45 ` Timothy
2020-05-19 16:57 ` Russell Adams
2020-05-19 17:03 ` Timothy
2020-05-19 17:29 ` Russell Adams
2020-05-19 18:50 ` James R Miller
2020-05-19 19:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-19 20:17 ` Roland Everaert
2020-05-19 20:47 ` Diego Zamboni
2020-05-19 21:28 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-19 19:48 ` Russell Adams
2020-05-19 20:14 ` Trey Ethan Harris
2020-05-19 20:57 ` gyro funch
2020-05-19 23:22 ` James R Miller
2020-05-20 9:22 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-20 9:40 ` Detlef Steuer
2020-05-20 11:12 ` Stefan Nobis
2020-05-20 16:41 ` Jud Taylor
2020-05-20 18:55 ` gennady.uraltsev [this message]
2020-05-20 22:05 ` Bob Newell
2020-05-21 8:10 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-21 11:21 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2020-05-21 14:46 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-21 16:31 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-22 8:17 ` Roland Everaert
2020-05-22 14:53 ` Anthony Carrico
2020-05-23 12:57 ` Roland Everaert
2020-05-23 13:14 ` Russell Adams
2020-05-25 11:20 ` Roland Everaert
2020-05-26 12:34 ` Robert Pluim
2020-06-01 14:40 ` Bastien
2020-06-01 14:36 ` Bastien
2020-05-26 19:17 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-06-01 14:43 ` Bastien
2020-05-27 17:59 ` Mario Frasca
2020-05-27 18:12 ` Russell Adams
2020-05-27 18:48 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-31 8:49 ` Russell Adams
2020-06-01 14:45 ` Bastien
2020-06-01 15:46 ` Mario Frasca
2020-06-01 15:53 ` Bastien
2020-06-01 16:28 ` Mario Frasca
2020-06-01 16:54 ` Russell Adams
2020-06-02 11:57 ` Bastien
2020-06-05 22:44 ` Mario Frasca
2020-06-06 7:57 ` Bastien
2020-06-06 16:15 ` Mario Frasca
2020-06-07 9:38 ` Bastien
2020-06-07 13:50 ` Mario Frasca
2020-06-08 9:11 ` Bastien
2020-05-21 2:35 ` Anthony Carrico
2020-05-21 3:12 ` James R Miller
2020-05-21 5:33 ` Russell Adams
2020-05-21 7:31 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-21 14:18 ` Anthony Carrico
2020-05-21 14:38 ` tomas
2020-05-21 14:38 ` Anthony Carrico
2020-05-21 15:05 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-22 16:56 ` Ken Mankoff
2020-05-26 19:36 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-06-01 14:59 ` Bastien
2020-09-14 5:23 ` Bastien
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-06-02 11:38 Vladimir Nikishkin
2020-06-02 11:55 ` Bastien
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