Hi there, two questions for people using LaTeX (possibly only as Org-mode backend). 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin (http://www.ctan.org/pkg/savetrees)? From the description: ,---- | The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text as | possible onto each page of a LaTeX document. Admittedly, this | makes the document far less attractive. Nevertheless, | savetrees is a simple way to save paper when printing draft copies | of a document. `---- 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? (Note: I explained the rationale behind this survey in another post I sent to the list a few minutes ago in the thread about the #+SUBTITLE keyword.) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University
Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > two questions for people using LaTeX (possibly only as Org-mode > backend). > > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin > (http://www.ctan.org/pkg/savetrees)? From the description: Yes. > ,---- > | The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text as > | possible onto each page of a LaTeX document. Admittedly, this > | makes the document far less attractive. Nevertheless, > | savetrees is a simple way to save paper when printing draft copies > | of a document. > `---- > > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? No. I find the output too ugly. Regards, Rasmus "the tree-cutter" -- To err is human. To screw up 10⁶ times per second, you need a computer
>>>>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > Hi there, two questions for people using LaTeX (possibly only as > Org-mode backend). > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin > (http://www.ctan.org/pkg/savetrees)? From the description: Yes. > ,---- | The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text > as | possible onto each page of a LaTeX document. Admittedly, this > | makes the document far less attractive. Nevertheless, | > savetrees is a simple way to save paper when printing draft copies > | of a document. `---- > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? Yes > (Note: I explained the rationale behind this survey in another > post I sent to the list a few minutes ago in the thread about the > #+SUBTITLE keyword.) > Best, > -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski > Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz > University
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Hi Marcin, On So, 2015-03-22, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin > (http://www.ctan.org/pkg/savetrees)? I've heard about it but never used it. > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? Yes. I'm currently using Orgmode LaTeX export for sales activity reports, letters, Beamer presentations, minutes, and check lists. In the past I've been using LaTeX (without Orgmode) for manuals and even for data sheets. Best regards Michael -- Michael Strey http://www.strey.biz * https://twitter.com/michaelstrey
Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin Yes. > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? No. I use org-mode mostly for documentation and even documentation should look nice (the whitespace in a document is there for a reason; IIRC in the documentation of koma-script there is some rationale for the layout). There are many other ways to influence the layout and save whitespace on paper. Personally, I use the koma-script classes and playing with parameters like DIV IMHO give more appealing results. For controlling the body there are also quite some good packages (like enumitem), that allow more fine grained control. With a simple "#+LATEX_HEADER_EXTRA: \usepackage[extreme]{savetrees}" it's very easy to get this special effect. But maybe we should make this easier with a special option like "uglyandcompressed:t" (pun intended)? I'm not against a more compact and cleaned up preamble and maybe a special orgmode package for LaTeX may be a good idea. But fiddling with the layout of a document should never be the default and only be enabled via explicit options, as quite some classes out there do a really good job. BTW: If producing PDF for screenreading is important, we should think about an easy option to switch to A5 with a sane layout. A5 is much better for screenreading than A4 and even 2 pages A5 printed on a single A4 looks quite good and readable. The main benefit: With A5 there is much less whitespace (see documentation of koma-script for an example). Maybe A5 output should be the default setting? -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.
Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Hi there, > > two questions for people using LaTeX (possibly only as Org-mode > backend). > > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin > (http://www.ctan.org/pkg/savetrees)? From the description: > > ,---- > | The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text as > | possible onto each page of a LaTeX document. Admittedly, this > | makes the document far less attractive. Nevertheless, > | savetrees is a simple way to save paper when printing draft copies > | of a document. > `---- Yes. > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? Not sure about that. All my work reports are made in Org mode and exported to PDF. They never are "scientific" reports (they're discussion notes with TODO items, etc.), and I must adhere to the format others use when writing in Word. Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
No. Yes. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> wrote: > Hi there, > > two questions for people using LaTeX (possibly only as Org-mode > backend). > > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin > (http://www.ctan.org/pkg/savetrees)? From the description: > > ,---- > | The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text as > | possible onto each page of a LaTeX document. Admittedly, this > | makes the document far less attractive. Nevertheless, > | savetrees is a simple way to save paper when printing draft copies > | of a document. > `---- > > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? > > (Note: I explained the rationale behind this survey in another post > I sent to the list a few minutes ago in the thread about the #+SUBTITLE > keyword.) > > Best, > > -- > Marcin Borkowski > http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski > Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science > Adam Mickiewicz University > -- Grant Rettke gcr@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ “Wisdom begins in wonder.” --Socrates ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.” --Thompson
In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl>, who said: >,---- >| The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text as >| possible onto each page of a LaTeX document. Admittedly, this >| makes the document far less attractive. Nevertheless, >| savetrees is a simple way to save paper when printing draft copies >| of a document. >`---- I typically want my draft to look like my finished copy will look, so >2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that >scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? No. --hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymie hymie@lactose.homelinux.net My fitbit says I've walked 3381 steps today (as of 10:58).
In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero, hymie@lactose.homelinux.net (hymie!), who said: >In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero, > Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl>, who said: >>,---- >>| The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text as >>| possible onto each page of a LaTeX document. Admittedly, this >>| makes the document far less attractive. Nevertheless, >>| savetrees is a simple way to save paper when printing draft copies >>| of a document. >>`---- > >I typically want my draft to look like my finished copy will look, so I just realized that I mis-read the original question, so I will just echo what somebody else said. I use Org for writing and maintaining documentation, and my documentation has to be readable to be usable. >>2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that >>scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? Still no. --hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymie hymie@lactose.homelinux.net My fitbit says I've walked 3381 steps today (as of 10:58).
Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin > (http://www.ctan.org/pkg/savetrees)? From the description: Only vaguely. > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? Yes. I often produce PDFs from Org of things like lecture notes, handouts, etc. where it is more important to get more infomation onto fewer pages than to have publication-quality output. (Normally, I do this with \usepackage[margin=1in]{geometry}.) (However, I just tried to build one of my handouts with the savetrees package, and was unsuccessful. I didn't do anything besides loading savetrees instead of geometry. Is savetrees incompatible with other packages Org loads by default?) Best, Richard