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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1647872823; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=wT1VlpXmkqPbllWQ//SxmsFB/uVDTGZnnIEBI23bW9g=; b=lWDbfmbSGjIDtOhBP4Us3paAcABIqGzYrw1qyKmze5gzY8M9WQ0SKiIpJElRRBLPr7Jvlz NnmGwgqMZhX5bF3uAX38jbscZwU/V6by956h1EshjUkYXSIiPjyG6J6ljCNn9g5UHHgohT 7/yo2Yu7TrXGOdlPYu5uVpZA3E1GHDo4jU6HVvcv1ckiX8nphjmc+Aal2eO4RcDDc/x9qS t/yrFPEYRHHZGUzzjBEcs7nNBl8cvZn177pDU3PnsaGumGgOw92owIz50OIEMs1Q5Of2ID xtl/1WdEopRPEkxIKoaWvWfesUJURR7cXnUPsy8m0huk2Xt9v3fiQdmmXahLbQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1647872823; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=MImyWPl/y1xQkUzrwqJrqxfEOtteNd3b5VnHXGiFGNjbKYQSB9/EUzRmJPwLp1lmhGaZH8 vbZAXkinphwzelRAPnYzqYjKadnjUsZNZfSaFcHRuFXUMUGIad6snJZSL2Q7tyeTZtOqhU njS+zHG2PieK3rZeU1Yp/k969SFsuIw4MWR21L9liYmkhPAAhlfByvSm9zlqbbqSKi59sU dM5FUdvuBXBAfpOo77NQEivuGNhWMZnpNJxXE9rbh6QSV9aYUJfzBmDTu77R03ZSODb3Nh JEgwAYEJP/4oOgxXQ1Ek3I9q2GRreBc5AQgxVIEAVTNmnXAuHLrNdsrcClHqbw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=S9Eu+n2C; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=andrew.cmu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 6.08 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=S9Eu+n2C; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=andrew.cmu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 115A4101F5 X-Spam-Score: 6.08 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: NBMsQEL1HoAD chris writes: > On Sunday, 20 March 2022 20:44:50 CET Bruce D'Arcus wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:42 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> > For citar, why not simply using ivy-bibtex? It supports org-cite, AFAIK. >> >> Not really; or rather minimally. > > I use `org-cite` with a very minimal configuration, and it works very well. I > don't use `ivy` at all. I don't use `helm` at all. Those are very large > framework and should not be forced to people. (I don't use `org-ref`.) These days org-ref does not require helm or ivy, and it does not install them. You can use the core library with any completion backend you want. It uses vanilla completing-read. org-ref does rely exclusively on bibtex-completion at this time. I have not abstracted that out to allow pluggable alternatives like citar. > > I only use `citar` with minimal configuration. I use `vertico` for the > completion. `citar` is simple enough for me to be able to read and understand > a large part of it. > > IMO the more layers of code there are, the more difficult it is to have things > work right. And similarly with the size of the code. > > Chris > >> >> Ivy-bibtex supports, for example, inserting of org-cite citations, but >> not via org-cite-insert. > > And I have `org-cite-insert` working straight out of the box. > >> >> So there are currently no org-cite processors for ivy-bibtex etc. >> >> Bruce -- Professor John Kitchin Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 @johnkitchin http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu Pronouns: he/him/his